From: Price, Jamie (JPrice@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon May 14 2001 - 16:54:10 GMT-3
Now the archives are gonna get hit harder than ever!! :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mask Of Zorro [mailto:ciscokid00@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:46 PM
To: jay@west.net; rta@nortelnetworks.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: give the CCIE lab question answer !!
I agree with Jay. An appropriate response would be to either ignore the
post, or to treat it in a generic manner. Regarding Roderick's message below
discussing when a post might be considered inappropriate and its author
punished, it certianly won't be the list members who have the authority to
make that determination and do the punishing.
I understand the need to adhere to the NDA, and I agree that the list should
be kept free of flagrant NDA violations, but if you really want to
accomplish that, you shouldn't point fingers and jump up and down screaming
and shouting. If you truly feel compelled to blow the whistle on an
egregious offense, then forward the post in question to ccie@cisco.com or
abuse@groupstudy.com and let the chips fall where they may.
As somebody suggested earlier, a thorough and well filtered session of
dumpster diving through the archives could easily compile a long list of
these alleged violations. Given time and patience, the whole of the lab
could probably be reconstructed from the archives just from the clues of
angry NDA-thumpin' list-members. If it were to happen, it would not be the
fault of those few who posted their questions foolishly, but rather I would
blame it on the flamers that raised the thread to attention and ultimately
confirmed that each scenario was indeed in the exam.
Z
>From: Jay Hennigan <jay@west.net>
>Reply-To: Jay Hennigan <jay@west.net>
>To: Roderick Ta <rta@nortelnetworks.com>
>CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: RE: give the CCIE lab question answer !!
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:15:48 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Mon, 14 May 2001, Roderick Ta wrote:
>
> > Sometimes, a single question that actual exists in the real exam lab
> > can be considered incidental. But if you pose a number of questions,
> > and the people from CCIE program monitoring this list considered they
> > were from the real lab questions, then you would be considered violate
> > NDA, and be punished.
> >
> > This list is monitored. There was a clarification recently posted by
> > Enid Sorkowitz, Manager, Customer Service, CCIE Program.
> >
> > Roderick Ta
>
>OK, but consider what the proper reaction of those on the list should be.
>
>Suppose I'm a CCIE candidate, and I know to study the basic core stuff.
>
>Person A on the list posts an obscure question relating to a specific
>scenario and gets a response helping to explain, which generates a thread
>of hints and pitfalls.
>
>Person B posts an obscure question relating to a diffferent specific
>scenario, and half a dozen people who have been to the lab scream "NDA".
>
>Which of the two hypotheticals is more likely to be on the real lab?
>
>And who is is that *really* violated NDA by giving away the obvious clue
>that a specific scenario was a test question? The one who asked (who may
>never have seen an actual lab) or the half dozen who have indeed seen the
>lab and flamed by pointing out "NDA"?
>
>Wouldn't it be better for those "in the know" to simply ignore the obvious
>test question, or to answer it generically the same as any other
>hypothetical?
>
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