From: Jason1 (jason1@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Mar 03 2001 - 23:28:34 GMT-3
Thanks.. I thought I was the only with bad experiences with IQSale but seems
like lots of people also have the same experiences.. I guess in my case, 3
months wasn't that bad... I'll stay away from them next time...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Hardin" <hardinl@bah.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: future computer LLC
> All
>
> Do NOT buy from Grandstore aka IQSale! They've ripped me AND a colleague
> off. It took me 6 months, several phone calls, and e-mails with legal
> threats to get them to credit my credit card for a return. They've stolen
> my colleagues frame switch when it was sent back for repairs (for the
> second time!). Stay away from these guys.. They are bad news!
>
> Les
>
>
> At 11:08 PM 3/3/2001 +0800, Jason1 wrote:
> >I'm amazed that you managed to interpreted that huge amount of
information
> >from that one sentenses below... I must be using the wrong bastard mask
!!
> >;-)
> >
> >As for www.grandstore.com or AKA www.iqsale.com . I have had extremely
bad
> >experiences with them...
> >
> >1. First case, bought Cisco 4500 routers with a 2 Serial.. Sent to me
> >without the module. After lots of calls, then they sent me the module.
When
> >installed. Realised that the router is faulty.. i.e. the module is not
> >detected when inserted in. Request for RMA. Told me no stock, so return
for
> >refund.. 1 and 1/2 month after returning, still chasing after refund...
> >
> >2. 2nd case, Thought I give them another chance, , bought 2610 with voice
> >module. 1 month after payment, still didn't received item.. Chase after
> >them, finally , after 2 weeks , told me that it was losted and will be
> >shipped to me on the same day.(Reminded about the voice modules. It took
> >another 2 weeks before router reach me and voice modules is not inside.
> >Chase after them for another two weeks.. finally, threaten to file a
> >complaint , and got a response the same day that the module will be shipp
ed
> >to me.. All in, this took them 3 months to get it right... (still on the
> >way.....)
> >
> >They are not fraudulent, but also not exactly the type that I will want
to
> >deal with.. especially if I have a deadline on my hand.. Considering that
> >they screwed up, they should have make good on the delivery and do a next
> >day urgent delivery .. So I'm very pissed off at them, but I still don't
go
> >around calling them bastards.. at least not without explainations...
> >
> >On the other side of the coin, I have had very good experiences with
Market
> >Network Solutions down in Texas.. I bought a Cisco 2504 from them, they
had
> >a minor mistake which I informed them but didn't really bother much with
> >asking for compensation or offset as it was quite minor . The next time I
> >tried to order a Token Ring Hub from them, he actually shipped me one for
> >free without charges, not even shipping charges. So for those who wants a
> >good deal on Cisco equipments, I highly recommend Pat McKool. At least I
> >know that he is honestly interested in making his customers feel good
about
> >his services...
> >
> >For those interested, you can email Pat McKool Pmckool@aol.com .
> >
> >Pat McKool
> >972/424-0565
> >Market Network Solutions
> >Cisco Networking Equipment
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ted Ahlen" <ahlen_t@ins.com>
> >To: "'Jason1'" <jason1@v-labs.net>; "'Fred Mahoney'"
> ><fred_mahoney@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
<jobs@groupstudy.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:33 PM
> >Subject: RE: future computer LLC
> >
> >
> > > Funny thing. I've bought several thousand dollars worth of routers
from
> >one
> > > particular vendor and have had no complaints. Lucky me. Much like
knowing
> > > the name of my vendor (www.grandstore.com), aspiring CCIE's might want
to
> > > know the names/handles of fraudulent Ebay auction perpetrators or the
name
> > > or URL of fraudulent Cisco router vendors before getting ripped off.
The
> > > only thing is that an explanation of the alleged circumstances might
help
> > > list members judge for themselves what to be careful of when buying
gear.
> > > Thanks for your helpful insight into the workings of safe commerce for
> >CCIE
> > > candidates. Almost as insightful as the posts of CL.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Ted
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Jason1
> > > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:34 PM
> > > To: Fred Mahoney; ccielab@groupstudy.com; jobs@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: future computer LLC
> > >
> > >
> > > So how many Class A bastards , Class B bastards and Class C bastards
are
> > > there according to your specifications ? I assume Class D bastards are
> > > multicast based and Class E bastards are bastards reserved for testing
> > > purpose, and as such cannot be allocated to individual host. I think
the
> >DNS
> > > screwed up again.. you probably want to mail your complaints to
> >www.bbb.org
> > > rather than www.groupstudy.com .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Fred Mahoney" <fred_mahoney@hotmail.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <jobs@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 6:02 AM
> > > Subject: future computer LLC
> > >
> > >
> > > > These guys are class A bastards.
> > > > fred
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