From: Bill Fallon (bfallon@xxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Feb 26 2001 - 23:28:01 GMT-3
I agree that this thread should be stopped but I must Voice my opinion on
this as well as something else. I disagree WITH ANY AND ALL STATEMENTS
that say that the CCIE is easier as far as test material.
- did it ever occur to those who say its easier:
a) there is much more Cisco Gear deployed now then there was 5-7 years ago
b) with E-bay and used hardware, most people can build there own study
racks for home to study
c) Many companies today buy Cisco gear for their employess to study for the
CCIE
d) More Companies will pay for employees to get their CCIE
e) By removing topics from the Test they have just gone in more depth on
other subjects, and made those topics more difficult.
f) I just took my first attempt in Halifax and did not pass---Made it to
day 2 but I made dumb mistakes and did not make it to troubleshooting--The
Proctor in Halifax told me that with the 6 month backlog of people waiting
to take the test, only about 10% are first timers. The rest are 2nd and
third timers. This would explain an increase in the number of people who
are passing as of late.
g) I know CCIE's who look at what topics they need to know today and some
say, "holy crap I did not need to know that".
************>
I have one more gripe about what I am seeing on this study group---I have
been seeing people disguising actual CCIE lab test questions on this Group,
and that is a violation of the NDA any way you slice it. This group is for
gaining knowledge and asking questions in CCIE test related topics, not for
getting answers to questions YOU could not answer on your test. Do the
research yourself, because there is nothing on the CCIE lab that you cannot
find the answers to yourself, with some effort. I am so tired of people
expecting things to be handed to them on a silver platter...
I will have you know that the CCIE proctors (as I was told) read these
messages and remove things that people ask about that came from actual
exams---so Please KNOCK IT OFF, and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!! YOU GRIPE
THAT THE TEST IS GETTING EASIER AND BY DOING THIS YOU ARE MAKING IT
EASIER!!!!!!
At 03:02 PM 2/16/01 -0500, Tyler Pomerhn wrote:
>
>
>> ----------
>> From: Tyler Pomerhn[SMTP:TPOMERHN@CISCO.COM]
>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:02:49 PM
>> To: Foster, Kristopher; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
>> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>>
>Your graph isn't linear in any respect.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>> Foster, Kristopher
>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:19 PM
>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
>>
>>
>> ugh. I can't believe I'm taking part in this thread. I
>> quickly grabbed some
>> numbers from the archives a threw a graph together. please
>> stop this thread
>> when you see that the growth over the last year has been
>> linear. the recent
>> level of 'i got my number' posts is because more people know
>> of this list
>> and actively post that information. if you would like to
>> discuss this i
>> will only respond off of this mailing list.
>>
>> http://www.packetheads.org/cciestat.html
>>
>> *do not reply to this on the mailing list, thanks*
>>
>> Kris,
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Van Oene [mailto:pvo@usermail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 4:48 PM
>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
>>
>>
>> Quick comment on the following below
>>
>> Greg Posey mentioned the following:
>> >My reaction has been to plan for the bar being raised. At
>> one time, having
>> >a High School diploma was considered an accomplishment. In
>> the Engineering
>> >field, a B.S. was the mark of excellence - and the M.S. is
>> quickly becoming
>> >the standard. In the IT field, how could we expect the
>> trend to migrate
>> any
>> >slower? After (hopefully) passing the R/S CCIE this year, I
>> realize I need
>> >to get a 2nd (or 3rd) CCIE if I really want to be in the
>> upper-echelon.
>> I'm
>> >working harder, and studying more for this certification
>> than I did in 6
>> >years of undergrad and grad Engineering - but I realize that
>> at age 27, I'm
>> >far from the "I've done it, now I don't have to study
>> anymore" status.
>>
>> Although I agree with most of your sentiment, the concept
>> that more CCIE
>> certs (ie becoming multiply certified) adds little additional
>> value. In my
>> experience, the CCIE certification is a decent barometer of technical
>> competence, but somewhat wide in focus. For many employers,
>> much of the
>> material tested in the R/S exam (which represents the lion's share of
>> CCIE's) is outside the scope of their requirements. Hence, a
>> candidate will
>> attain some respect for having passed the test, but will be
>> evaluated on
>> their relevant knowledge. With that in mind, having double
>> the unrelated
>> knowledge seems to add very little to the candidates profile
>> outside of
>> indicating that the individual spends a fair amount of their
>> personal time
>> working on personal certifications.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
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