From: NoOne Important (lm_nguyen@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Feb 21 2001 - 11:40:15 GMT-3
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<P>If i crash my routers, i will call tac and ask for travis niedens :))</P></D
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<P>the truth is that i learn alot more throught this thread..hidden commands, c
ool website with hidden commands...etc. </P>
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<P>Cheer up people.</P>
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<P><BR><BR> </P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "Travis Niedens" <NIEDENTJ@HOTMAIL.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: "Travis Niedens" <NIEDENTJ@HOTMAIL.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>To: "McCallum, Robert" <ROBERT.MCCALLUM@LET-IT-BE-THUS.COM>, "'K
evin Baumgartner'" <KBAUMGAR@CISCO.COM>, "Jack Yu" <CCIECN@YAHOO.COM>, "NoOne I
mportant" <LM_NGUYEN@HOTMAIL.COM>, <SIMON.BAXTER@AU.LOGICAL.COM>, <MARKL11@HOTM
AIL.COM>, <CCIELAB@GROUPSTUDY.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:34:37 -0800
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<DIV></DIV>>Robert,
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<DIV></DIV>>
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<DIV></DIV>>1. Those commands can be dangerous, that is why this was mention
ed in the
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<DIV></DIV>>first place.
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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>2. Try to learn "netiquette", stop capping words just to be a je
rk.
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<DIV></DIV>>
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<DIV></DIV>>3. Good luck with the commands, you crash a router with that and
we'll see
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<DIV></DIV>>how much you like them then.
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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Regards,
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<DIV></DIV>>
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<DIV></DIV>>Travis
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "McCallum, Robert" <ROBERT.MCCALLUM@LET-IT-BE-THUS.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>To: "'Kevin Baumgartner'" <KBAUMGAR@CISCO.COM>; "Jack Yu"
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>><CCIECN@YAHOO.COM>; "NoOne Important" <LM_NGUYEN@HOTMAIL.COM>;
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>><TNIEDENS@CISCO.COM>; <SIMON.BAXTER@AU.LOGICAL.COM>; <MARKL11@HO
TMAIL.COM>;
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>><CCIELAB@GROUPSTUDY.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:18 PM
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > GIVE IT A REST.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > YES THIS IS A CCIE MAILING LIST.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > WHO CARES IF YOU DO OR DON'T USE THEM IN THE LAB.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > THE PERSON WHO MAILED THEM IN THE FIRST INSTANCE WAS ONLY
TRYING TO BE
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > HELPFUL.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > With this amount of abuse being pertained from one person
trying to be
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > helpful then why bother. This list is becoming unbelievabl
y pedantic
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>about
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > what it should and shouldn't do. My view on "most" subject
s if you don't
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<DIV></DIV>> > like it - don't read it.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > NOW DROP THIS SUBJECT.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > P.S. I THANK THE PERSON WHO FIRST sent the email many thre
ads ago. I
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>might
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > use them in my day to day tasks on ISIS or I may not but I
still thank you
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > for sharing some information that I did not know about. Af
ter all ISN'T
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > THIS LIST ABOUT SHARING INFO?????????????????
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > From: Kevin Baumgartner [mailto:kbaumgar@cisco.com]
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Sent: 15 February 2001 22:40
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > To: Jack Yu; NoOne Important; tniedens@cisco.com;
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Simon.Baxter@au.logical.com; markl11@hotmail.com; ccielab@
groupstudy.com
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Subject: Re: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > If this is a study group for ccie lab I don't see the reas
on to put
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<DIV></DIV>> > undocumented
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<DIV></DIV>> > commands on this list. You will not be required to use the
se commands in
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<DIV></DIV>>the
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<DIV></DIV>> > lab. And if you use them in the lab you could even cause a
lot of
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<DIV></DIV>>problems.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Don't cause yourself more headaches than needed.
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<DIV></DIV>> >
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<DIV></DIV>> > The undocumented commands are not useless, but I would avo
id using them
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<DIV></DIV>> > in the lab. All the commands required for the lab should b
e on the cd.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Now finding the commands or the right syntax on the cd
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > can be a challenge sometimes.
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<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Kevin
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<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > At 02:02 PM 2/15/01 -0800, Jack Yu wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>> > >If there is a legitimate concern of the impacts of
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<DIV></DIV>> > >some IOS commands, would it be nice to document them
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >seperately or at least mark them as "use with care" or
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >" should not use on production equipment"?
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >Please do not tell me all the so-called undocumented
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >commands are useless.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >I think as an educational list, this is where people
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >should post those undocumented commands.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >No body should try to test anything on a crucial
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >production router, not to mention the undocumented
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >commands.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >Just my 2 cents.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >Jack
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >--- NoOne Important <LM_NGUYEN@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Instead of making you look like...well I am not
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > making judgement here.(an
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > educationstopper maybe???)
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Why not be like Mark and try to educate people o
n
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > the list on what commands
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > might "crash" your router? And why not try to
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > educate people up to the
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > capable "level" like yours.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >From: "Travis Niedens" <TNIEDENS@CISCO.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Reply-To: "Travis Niedens" <TNIEDENS@CISCO.C
OM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >To: "Simon Baxter" <SIMON.BAXTER@AU.LOGICAL.
COM>,
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > "Mark Lewis"
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > ><MARKL11@HOTMAIL.COM>, <CCIELAB@GROUPSTUDY.C
OM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Subject: Re: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:09:27 -0800
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >I am aware of this. I just don't want people
to be
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > lead astray. Telling
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > >people commands and not stating the possible
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > ramifications is not wise.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Not
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > >everyone on this list is up to the "level" I
would
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > say is capable of
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > >understanding the impact. If you get questio
ns such
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > as what does the "*"
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > >mean in show ip route's output, which we do
on
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > here, you are not at the
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >level to understand the issues involved with
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > undocumented commands. I am
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >not trying to stop education, but at the sam
e time
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > I don't want people just
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >punching in commands because they find it on
here.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Travis
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >From: "Simon Baxter" <SIMON.BAXTER@AU.LOGICA
L.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >To: "Mark Lewis" <MARKL11@HOTMAIL.COM>;
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > <TNIEDENS@CISCO.COM>;
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > ><CCIELAB@GROUPSTUDY.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 8:18 PM
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Subject: RE: Undocumented IS-IS Commands
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > Remember this list is publically avail
able via
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > the web site.....
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > From: Mark Lewis [mailto:markl11@hotma
il.com]
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:31
AM
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > To: tniedens@cisco.com; ccielab@groups
tudy.com
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Undocumented IS-IS Comman
ds
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > People on this list are proficient eno
ugh to
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > make their own judgements
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >as
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > >to
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > the issues you raise.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >From: "Travis Niedens" <TNIEDENS@C
ISCO.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >To: "Mark Lewis" <MARKL11@HOTMAIL.
COM>,
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > <CCIELAB@GROUPSTUDY.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Undocumented IS-IS Co
mmands
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:40:39 -0
800
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >Word to the wise.. and even unwise
...
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > undocumented commands are
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >undocumented
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >for a reason. They are for people
that know
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > why they are there and for
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >Cisco Engineers to diagnose issues
. I know
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > there are several of these
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >that
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >can end up crashing your router an
d should
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > never we used on production
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >equipment; futhermore, they will N
OT be on the
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > CCIE Lab.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >Travis Niedens
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >From: "Mark Lewis" <MARKL11@HOTMAI
L.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >To: <CCIELAB@GROUPSTUDY.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 12
:10 AM
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >Subject: Undocumented IS-IS Comman
ds
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > Hi,
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > Here are a few undocumented
IS-IS commands
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > you might like to try
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >out:
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<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > show isis timers
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > show isis private
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > show isis database private
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > show spf-log detail
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > show isis tree
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > Hope you all find them usefu
l!
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > Mark
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > > CCIE#6280 / CCSI#21051
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >
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