From: tv (tvarriale@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Feb 15 2001 - 18:12:52 GMT-3
You are indeed correct. If any of you guys that are CCIE's (newer numbers),
talk to some of the old schoolers. Ask them to diagram their lab (within
the NDA), and you'll will be very surprised on how "easy" their lab was.
The fact is that there are many more things for today's CCIE to learn. Now,
if you call that more difficult, so be it. I call it relative to the time.
tv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter" <peter@web53.com>
To: "Tyler Pomerhn" <tpomerhn@cisco.com>; "Kenneth Sacca"
<ksacca@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <markl11@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 2:33 PM
Subject: !Re: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
> Lemme guess, you are CCIE # 2XXX? Bullshit. Talk to some of those guys.
I
> work with about 20 CCIE's and everyone who got theirs 2-3 years ago all
> agree that the test itself is much more difficult today. There are way
more
> features in IOS than there was. So why are more people passing?
Marketing,
> the internet, hype about certification, exam prep material, etc. Never
> before have there been recepies on how to get certified. To all those who
> have passed and are now saying how easy it is, get off your high horse.
> Yes, you have learned much more than you previously know, but the
> difficulity of the exam still remains the same.
>
> Peter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tyler Pomerhn" <tpomerhn@cisco.com>
> To: "Kenneth Sacca" <ksacca@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
> <markl11@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:30 PM
> Subject: RE: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
>
>
> > > Jeez this topic is boring and so out of touch with
> > > reality. I bet most of the complainers here are
> > > former MCSE, CNE, ASE, A+ and all of those other
> > > certification holders.
> >
> > If it's so boring, why the scathing email?
> >
> > ...and good comparison - if the trend keeps up, CCIE's won't be worth
> > anything more than a MCSE. If that comes about, I wouldn't bother with
> > the effort of even trying.
> >
> > > Your career isn't based on a certification. You
> > > will never have a little fraternity of 5000 CCIEs
> > > worldwide, where no one else can join the club.
> >
> > CCIE's dictate careers. Face it. And of course, as time goes on,
> > there'll be more and more CCIE's. But you cannot argue with me saying
> > that the test hasn't gotten easier. Believe me, I know a good deal about
> > the program (being inside Cisco and at the RTP site), and you cannot win
> > this argument with me.
> >
> > We're not saying "Don't let anyone into the club." We're saying, "Make
> > it just as difficult to get into the club now as it was when I joined."
> >
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