From: Tony Medeiros (tonygreat@xxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Jan 20 2001 - 16:11:16 GMT-3
Even though this thread is getting rather tedious, I would just like to say
that even though I'm a CCIE, I still think experience is KING and always
will be. However, If your new to the industry like I still am, How do you
get experience?? The answer is you need a foot in the door. And for me,
that's just what certifications provided. Once I had my foot in the door it
was up to me to sink or swim. Certifications just mean that I have good
understanding of basics AND, I can learn what I don't know. Sometimes it
doesn't even mean that. I've interviewed CCNP's who got their cert by using
"exam cram" books and couldn't even configure an access-list. I've met
CCIE's who could barely configure OSPF. Sad..... This field is so VAST
and so dynamic that if you don't keep learning and practiceing your skills
you lose or forget the stuff or fall behind in the technologies. That is
one of the reasons I love it so much !!!! I know I'll always be challanged
if I choose to be.
So in closeing, does a CCIE have value? yes. If you have a CCIE have your
reached the top of the field? ABSOLUTLY NOT!!! For me, what I don't know
will always greatly exceed what I know. And for me, that is just fine
because learning is half the fun !!
Tony Medeiros
#6172
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wang, Zhan" <zhan.wang@intel.com>
To: "'Jason'" <jason1@v-labs.net>; "Wayne Hu" <wayneccie@yahoo.com>; "Shaun
Nicholson" <Shaun.Nicholson@KP.org>; "austin.alao" <austin.alao@bt.com>
Cc: "andrew.2.shore" <andrew.2.shore@bt.com>; "bhescock"
<bhescock@cisco.com>; "dcai" <dcai@cisco.com>; "johcamer"
<johcamer@cisco.com>; "ccielab" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> Agree with you. thanks/Zhan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason [mailto:jason1@v-labs.net]
> Sent: 2001å¹´1æoe^20æ-¥ 0:02
> To: Wayne Hu; Shaun Nicholson; austin.alao
> Cc: andrew.2.shore; bhescock; dcai; johcamer; ccielab
> Subject: Re: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
>
>
> A certificate is a certificate.. Once you get it, it becomes worthless ..
I
> believe the journey is more important than the destination in any
> certifications.. Once you placed more importance on the destination (or
> getting the certifications) than you do on the process, the it starts to
> become worthless because there will always be people looking to make the
> certification easier to get...
>
> As I always tells my trainees, a Network is to support the Servers, the
> Servers to support the Applications and Workstations, and the Workstations
> and Applications is to support the users. If the users have a problem and
> you cannot fix it, they don't really give a damn where the problem lies or
> what certifications you hold.
>
> If you are a MCSE, then take some time to understand the applications and
> the network.. if you are a CCIE, then take some time to look at how
servers
> works and how applications works.. there is much more than CCIE.
>
> The truth is, certifications should be used as a benchmark for minimum
> standards, i.e. if you are certificated, it doesn't mean anything except
> that you meet the MINIMUM standard required to support the particular
> products.
>
> For those who thinks they have achieve something great, take some time to
be
> humble and stop insulting those who has chosen a different direction or
who
> dare to ask a different question or stated his thoughts..
>
> All I see was Cai DeZhong asking and stating his experiences and I see
> replies threatening his job.. Are you guys living in Russia ?
>
> For DeZhong, all I can say is that , it's not how many exams you can pass
> but what you can bring to a company that determines how much you earn....
>
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