From: Moran, Ed (morane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Jan 19 2001 - 14:50:57 GMT-3
This is really annoying. We are all on this list for one thing. That is to
help each other out in passing the CCIE Lab exam. Regardless of what we
think of the CCIE or other certifications, this is the place for engineers
to help each other. Can we please stop this bullshit and get back to
studying? I thought this list was only for those who are scheduled for he
lab. This is not the place for finding a job, complaining, or gloating over
others. If you are not mature enough to understand the concept of this Group
and the help and information that is transferred here, then this is not the
place for you.
E A Moran
Sr. Network Engineer/Project Manager
CNE,MCSE,CCNP,CCDP
TeleCommunication Systems
(813)831-6353 Office
(813)765-4243 Cell
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Humphrey [mailto:dave.humphrey@virgin.net]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:07 PM
To: Sam Munzani; Shaun Nicholson; austin.alao
Cc: andrew.2.shore; bhescock; dcai; johcamer; ccielab
Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
The Juniper certifications may change things, they appear to be quite
challenging.
Dave Humphrey
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Sam Munzani
Sent: 19 January 2001 15:50
To: Shaun Nicholson; austin.alao
Cc: andrew.2.shore; bhescock; dcai; johcamer; ccielab
Subject: Re: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
Go easy Shawn,
Everybody knows CCIE is worth more than any certification out there and
that's why all these good people are here in this list. MCSE is not bad to
have with your CCIE. A lot of company looks at what other skill you have
other than CISCO. Having some Microsoft, Novell & Unix experience of
certifications in your resume definately helps landing better jobs for you.
Just this this way, You and other 5 CCIEs applied for same job. What will be
the tie breaker? Your other skills and certifications.
Regards,
Sam Munzani
CCIE # 6479, CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, CNE, SCO Master ACE
> How dare you compare the MCSE to the CCIE they are no way similar, I haved
worked with MCSE's who could not wipe there own arse's with there paper
cetificates I myself started on the MCSE and stoped after 3 exams as I
realized how worthless it was plus I moved to the USA where I concentrated
on working on Cisco equipment more, so that became my chosen path. But still
come on the MSCE is now a big joke throughout the industry you should start
to listen to your peers man. Microsoft did what they always do they cashed
in and turned out armys of Microsoft solders to help sell there products and
it worked. Hell Cisco are doing a similar thing with the CCDA,CCDP, CCNA and
CCNP tracks. I know I've done them too.
>
> I know not all MCSE or any other certs for that matter are paper and I'm
not implying you are, how could I I dont even know you. But I can only speak
from experiances and there are more paper MCSE who do not know what they are
doing out there because they did bootcamps or what ever to get there screen
based non handson certificates. You have to agree with that surerly the rest
of the industry does.
>
> The MCSE is a basic do 6 exams on a computer screen and if you do the
adaptive exams it can take you less than 20 minutes an exam I know I speak
from experiance. I dont even use the letters I was asigned from Microsoft
(MCP) anymore it took me 20 minutes to get a 55% pass. It has taken me 9
months of 40 hours a week in the lab and 3 goes to get my lab ok so the
written is not that hard but the lab is.
>
> So please dont try to bring the CCIE down to the cash sucking level that
Microsoft have with there certification track.
>
> I dont quite understand the plus CCIE-awaiting number comment does that
mean you have not passed the lab yet but have passed the written? have you
even tried the lab yet?
>
> I wish you luck in your persuit of a real handson industry certification.
>
> Thanks
> Shaun Nicholson CCIE 6705
> Lead Network Engineer
> Kaiser Permanente
> Silver Spring Data Center
> 301 680 1462
>
>
>
>
> austin.alao@bt.com on 01/19/2001 06:59:00 AM
> To: andrew.2.shore@bt.com@Internet, bhescock@cisco.com@Internet,
dcai@cisco.com@Internet
> cc: johcamer@cisco.com@Internet, ccielab@groupstudy.com@Internet (bcc:
Shaun Nicholson/MD/KAIPERM)
> Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
>
> Hey Andrew,
>
> I thought from the start of your email that you were actually going to
make
> a good case for criticising MR Dhezong. You actually ended up doing worse
in
> my book by trying to ridicule Msoft and us, their engineers.
> I am in the UK too, am MCSE+I and proudly so.
> Let me also say that I am also CCNP and CCDP, plus CCIE-awaiting number.
> While you are Msoft bashing, remember that if you introduced a routine
"lab"
> to MCSE where you configured Compaq servers, installed software, and
> attempted everything on TechNet CD, you would also have a certification
> exactly like the hallowed and over-hyped CCIE.
> Take pride in your endeavours and don't slag off those of us who think
that
> Msoft is the most intelligently managed Corporation out there, and owe our
> daily-bread to their success.
>
> Lets show respect for fellow professionals and let the matter rest.
>
> Nuff said,
>
> Austin Alao,
> 01442 431 247 / 07740 148 175
> "He Who Brings Sunshine to the Life of Others, Cannot Himself Live in
> Darkness"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shore,A,Andrew,YEF36 SHOREA2 C
> Sent: 19 January 2001 03:30
> To: bhescock@cisco.com; dcai@cisco.com
> Cc: johcamer@cisco.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
>
> Perhaps if you worked in the real world you may find out how EASY Cisco
is,
> and if you're as good as you think you are, you may even earn some real
> money
>
> I work in the UK and currently make over 100k and that's UK pounds not
> dollars and I haven't even sat the lab yet. The CCIE is a benchmark used
by
> companies to rate employees ability, some companies (the one in Redmond)
> make their products attractive by giving away certification rendering them
a
> waste of paper, at least Cisco make people sweat for their accreditation.
>
> A CCIE is nothing with out the real world experience to carry you through
> projects, treating CCIE as an academic exercise probably is easy but it
> doesn't mean you can do the job.
>
> Just as a matter of interest you neglected to say how many attempts it
took.
>
>
> Andrew Shore
> BTcd
> Information Systems Engineering
> Internet & Multimedia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Hescock [mailto:bhescock@cisco.com]
> Sent: 18 January 2001 21:58
> To: dezhong
> Cc: Cameron, John; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
>
>
> Dezhong,
> You might want to unsubscribe from this list if you think the CCIE is
> so
> easy and has no real value. All you're going to do is piss people off by
> making comments like that.
>
> Brian
>
> dezhong wrote:
>
> > Hi, John,
> >
> > You misunderstand me. I like cisco and still work hard for my group as
> > before.
> > I only want to say here is: CCIE, just another IT certification. We
don't
> > need to pay so much attention on it.
> > I don't know why so many people think it is so difficult and so
valuable?
> >
> > Dezhong Cai
> > Cisco Systems, CCIE # 6621
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cameron, John" <johcamer@cisco.com>
> > To: "Cai, Dezhong" <dcai@cisco.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:34 PM
> > Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> >
> > > I wonder why your working at cisco with this kind of attitude.
> > >
> > > This isn't going to do the company any good when you broadcast
> > > e-mails out too a public mail alias. What are you tring to
> > > state here?
> > >
> > > JC
> > >
> > > C i s c o S y s t e m s John Cameron
> > > Network Engineer
> > > Research Triangle Park
> > > || || Cisco Systems, Inc.
> > > || ||
> > > |||| ||||
> > > ..:||||||:..:||||||:..
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dezhong [mailto:dcai@cisco.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:59 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, all,
> > >
> > > I heard many stories about how difficult to get the CCIE and how
> > > valuable it
> > > is. So now I'm.
> > >
> > > I joined Cisco last June as a new graduate student without any cisco
> > > background.
> > > I passed the CCIE in last Dec. My salary is still as low as 68,000.
My
> > > grade is still as low as 6. And it seem there is no big promotion in
the
> > > near future. No promotion to grade 8.
> > >
> > > I don't feel it is difficult to pass the CCIE. I also doubt the value
of
> > > the
> > > CCIE. In my opinion, even you have CCIE, it still depend on whether
you
> > > have
> > > good experience. Like me, without any work experience except in cisco
> > > for
> > > several months. Can you see I'm a valuable CCIE?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dezhong Cai
> > > Cisco Systems, CCIE # 6621
> > >
> > >
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