From: Ron Zirst (ron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Jan 19 2001 - 14:00:54 GMT-3
I believe that CCIE is one more certification, no more, no less. Experience
is much more important than the title if you want to get your job done or
get more project or more money.
As a senior network consultant, I deal with many CCIEs. Lots of them can't
set up a DNS, DHCP server on a Unix box. They know very little about ATM,
even Cisco PIX. The outsider may think all of CCIEs are experts. But we
don't think so. It really depends whom you're talking about.
Bottom line, all of these titles (ccie, mcse, cne, oracle dba, etc.) belong
to supporting engineer or professional, not the one who design or make it.
Those genius don't need these titles. So, CCIE is just one more
certification.
Ron Zirst
cne, mcse, ccnp, rhce
----- Original Message -----
From: <austin.alao@bt.com>
To: <andrew.2.shore@bt.com>; <bhescock@cisco.com>; <dcai@cisco.com>
Cc: <johcamer@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> Hey Andrew,
>
> I thought from the start of your email that you were actually going to
make
> a good case for criticising MR Dhezong. You actually ended up doing worse
in
> my book by trying to ridicule Msoft and us, their engineers.
> I am in the UK too, am MCSE+I and proudly so.
> Let me also say that I am also CCNP and CCDP, plus CCIE-awaiting number.
> While you are Msoft bashing, remember that if you introduced a routine
"lab"
> to MCSE where you configured Compaq servers, installed software, and
> attempted everything on TechNet CD, you would also have a certification
> exactly like the hallowed and over-hyped CCIE.
> Take pride in your endeavours and don't slag off those of us who think
that
> Msoft is the most intelligently managed Corporation out there, and owe our
> daily-bread to their success.
>
> Lets show respect for fellow professionals and let the matter rest.
>
> Nuff said,
>
> Austin Alao,
> 01442 431 247 / 07740 148 175
> "He Who Brings Sunshine to the Life of Others, Cannot Himself Live in
> Darkness"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shore,A,Andrew,YEF36 SHOREA2 C
> Sent: 19 January 2001 03:30
> To: bhescock@cisco.com; dcai@cisco.com
> Cc: johcamer@cisco.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
>
> Perhaps if you worked in the real world you may find out how EASY Cisco
is,
> and if you're as good as you think you are, you may even earn some real
> money
>
> I work in the UK and currently make over 100k and that's UK pounds not
> dollars and I haven't even sat the lab yet. The CCIE is a benchmark used
by
> companies to rate employees ability, some companies (the one in Redmond)
> make their products attractive by giving away certification rendering them
a
> waste of paper, at least Cisco make people sweat for their accreditation.
>
> A CCIE is nothing with out the real world experience to carry you through
> projects, treating CCIE as an academic exercise probably is easy but it
> doesn't mean you can do the job.
>
> Just as a matter of interest you neglected to say how many attempts it
took.
>
>
> Andrew Shore
> BTcd
> Information Systems Engineering
> Internet & Multimedia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Hescock [mailto:bhescock@cisco.com]
> Sent: 18 January 2001 21:58
> To: dezhong
> Cc: Cameron, John; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
>
>
> Dezhong,
> You might want to unsubscribe from this list if you think the CCIE is
> so
> easy and has no real value. All you're going to do is piss people off by
> making comments like that.
>
> Brian
>
> dezhong wrote:
>
> > Hi, John,
> >
> > You misunderstand me. I like cisco and still work hard for my group as
> > before.
> > I only want to say here is: CCIE, just another IT certification. We
don't
> > need to pay so much attention on it.
> > I don't know why so many people think it is so difficult and so
valuable?
> >
> > Dezhong Cai
> > Cisco Systems, CCIE # 6621
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cameron, John" <johcamer@cisco.com>
> > To: "Cai, Dezhong" <dcai@cisco.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:34 PM
> > Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> >
> > > I wonder why your working at cisco with this kind of attitude.
> > >
> > > This isn't going to do the company any good when you broadcast
> > > e-mails out too a public mail alias. What are you tring to
> > > state here?
> > >
> > > JC
> > >
> > > C i s c o S y s t e m s John Cameron
> > > Network Engineer
> > > Research Triangle Park
> > > || || Cisco Systems, Inc.
> > > || ||
> > > |||| ||||
> > > ..:||||||:..:||||||:..
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dezhong [mailto:dcai@cisco.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:59 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, all,
> > >
> > > I heard many stories about how difficult to get the CCIE and how
> > > valuable it
> > > is. So now I'm.
> > >
> > > I joined Cisco last June as a new graduate student without any cisco
> > > background.
> > > I passed the CCIE in last Dec. My salary is still as low as 68,000.
My
> > > grade is still as low as 6. And it seem there is no big promotion in
the
> > > near future. No promotion to grade 8.
> > >
> > > I don't feel it is difficult to pass the CCIE. I also doubt the value
of
> > > the
> > > CCIE. In my opinion, even you have CCIE, it still depend on whether
you
> > > have
> > > good experience. Like me, without any work experience except in cisco
> > > for
> > > several months. Can you see I'm a valuable CCIE?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dezhong Cai
> > > Cisco Systems, CCIE # 6621
> > >
> > >
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