From: Jason (jason1@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Jan 19 2001 - 13:09:31 GMT-3
Damn, I thought it's now midnight !! :-P
I hate friday night !!!
J
----- Original Message -----
From: <andrew.2.shore@bt.com>
To: <sam@munzani.com>; <austin.alao@bt.com>; <Shaun.Nicholson@KP.org>
Cc: <andrew.2.shore@bt.com>; <bhescock@cisco.com>; <dcai@cisco.com>;
<johcamer@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> GOD I love Friday afternoons !!!
>
>
> Andrew Shore
> BTcd
> Information Systems Engineering
> Internet & Multimedia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Munzani [mailto:sam@munzani.com]
> Sent: 19 January 2001 15:52
> To: austin.alao; Shaun.Nicholson
> Cc: andrew.2.shore; bhescock; dcai; johcamer; ccielab
> Subject: Re: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
>
>
> After a while everything in world is damn boring. When I did MCSE, I
thought
> it was very exciting. It lasted 1 year and had to hunt for other
challenges.
> Same thing will happen to me with CISCO stuff. Once I fully master CISCO
> gear, it will become boring and will have to go behind different stuff.
The
> bottom line is, For now CCIE number give you some extra dollars in your
> salary so take it while you search for other good challenges.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sam Munzani
> CCIE # 6479, CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, CNE, SCO Master ACE
>
> > I will tell you what my friend Dave Harrison, CCIE #2965 said; "things
> Cisco
> > are so damned boring".
> >
> > He now works as a project manager for a telecom company.
> >
> > Nuff said,
> >
> > Austin Alao,
> > 01442 431 247 / 07740 148 175
> > "He Who Brings Sunshine to the Life of Others, Cannot Himself Live in
> > Darkness"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shaun Nicholson [mailto:Shaun.Nicholson@KP.org]
> > Sent: 19 January 2001 06:50
> > To: Alao,A,Austin,IVKB ALAOAX C
> > Cc: Shore,A,Andrew,YEF36 SHOREA2 C; bhescock; dcai; johcamer; ccielab
> > Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> >
> > How dare you compare the MCSE to the CCIE they are no way similar, I
haved
> > worked with MCSE's who could not wipe there own arse's with there paper
> > cetificates I myself started on the MCSE and stoped after 3 exams as I
> > realized how worthless it was plus I moved to the USA where I
concentrated
> > on working on Cisco equipment more, so that became my chosen path. But
> still
> > come on the MSCE is now a big joke throughout the industry you should
> start
> > to listen to your peers man. Microsoft did what they always do they
cashed
> > in and turned out armys of Microsoft solders to help sell there products
> and
> > it worked. Hell Cisco are doing a similar thing with the CCDA,CCDP, CCNA
> and
> > CCNP tracks. I know I've done them too.
> >
> > I know not all MCSE or any other certs for that matter are paper and I'm
> not
> > implying you are, how could I I dont even know you. But I can only speak
> > from experiances and there are more paper MCSE who do not know what they
> are
> > doing out there because they did bootcamps or what ever to get there
> screen
> > based non handson certificates. You have to agree with that surerly the
> rest
> > of the industry does.
> >
> > The MCSE is a basic do 6 exams on a computer screen and if you do the
> > adaptive exams it can take you less than 20 minutes an exam I know I
speak
> > from experiance. I dont even use the letters I was asigned from
Microsoft
> > (MCP) anymore it took me 20 minutes to get a 55% pass. It has taken me 9
> > months of 40 hours a week in the lab and 3 goes to get my lab ok so the
> > written is not that hard but the lab is.
> >
> > So please dont try to bring the CCIE down to the cash sucking level that
> > Microsoft have with there certification track.
> >
> > I dont quite understand the plus CCIE-awaiting number comment does that
> mean
> > you have not passed the lab yet but have passed the written? have you
even
> > tried the lab yet?
> >
> > I wish you luck in your persuit of a real handson industry
certification.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Shaun Nicholson CCIE 6705
> > Lead Network Engineer
> > Kaiser Permanente
> > Silver Spring Data Center
> > 301 680 1462
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > austin.alao@bt.com on 01/19/2001 06:59:00 AM
> > To: andrew.2.shore@bt.com@Internet, bhescock@cisco.com@Internet,
> > dcai@cisco.com@Internet
> > cc: johcamer@cisco.com@Internet, ccielab@groupstudy.com@Internet
(bcc:
> > Shaun Nicholson/MD/KAIPERM)
> > Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> >
> > Hey Andrew,
> >
> > I thought from the start of your email that you were actually going to
> make
> > a good case for criticising MR Dhezong. You actually ended up doing
worse
> in
> > my book by trying to ridicule Msoft and us, their engineers.
> > I am in the UK too, am MCSE+I and proudly so.
> > Let me also say that I am also CCNP and CCDP, plus CCIE-awaiting number.
> > While you are Msoft bashing, remember that if you introduced a routine
> "lab"
> > to MCSE where you configured Compaq servers, installed software, and
> > attempted everything on TechNet CD, you would also have a certification
> > exactly like the hallowed and over-hyped CCIE.
> > Take pride in your endeavours and don't slag off those of us who think
> that
> > Msoft is the most intelligently managed Corporation out there, and owe
our
> > daily-bread to their success.
> >
> > Lets show respect for fellow professionals and let the matter rest.
> >
> > Nuff said,
> >
> > Austin Alao,
> > 01442 431 247 / 07740 148 175
> > "He Who Brings Sunshine to the Life of Others, Cannot Himself Live in
> > Darkness"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shore,A,Andrew,YEF36 SHOREA2 C
> > Sent: 19 January 2001 03:30
> > To: bhescock@cisco.com; dcai@cisco.com
> > Cc: johcamer@cisco.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> >
> > Perhaps if you worked in the real world you may find out how EASY Cisco
> is,
> > and if you're as good as you think you are, you may even earn some real
> > money
> >
> > I work in the UK and currently make over 100k and that's UK pounds not
> > dollars and I haven't even sat the lab yet. The CCIE is a benchmark used
> by
> > companies to rate employees ability, some companies (the one in Redmond)
> > make their products attractive by giving away certification rendering
them
> a
> > waste of paper, at least Cisco make people sweat for their
accreditation.
> >
> > A CCIE is nothing with out the real world experience to carry you
through
> > projects, treating CCIE as an academic exercise probably is easy but it
> > doesn't mean you can do the job.
> >
> > Just as a matter of interest you neglected to say how many attempts it
> took.
> >
> >
> > Andrew Shore
> > BTcd
> > Information Systems Engineering
> > Internet & Multimedia
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Hescock [mailto:bhescock@cisco.com]
> > Sent: 18 January 2001 21:58
> > To: dezhong
> > Cc: Cameron, John; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> >
> >
> > Dezhong,
> > You might want to unsubscribe from this list if you think the CCIE
is
> > so
> > easy and has no real value. All you're going to do is piss people off
by
> > making comments like that.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > dezhong wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, John,
> > >
> > > You misunderstand me. I like cisco and still work hard for my group as
> > > before.
> > > I only want to say here is: CCIE, just another IT certification. We
> don't
> > > need to pay so much attention on it.
> > > I don't know why so many people think it is so difficult and so
> valuable?
> > >
> > > Dezhong Cai
> > > Cisco Systems, CCIE # 6621
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Cameron, John" <johcamer@cisco.com>
> > > To: "Cai, Dezhong" <dcai@cisco.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:34 PM
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> > >
> > > > I wonder why your working at cisco with this kind of attitude.
> > > >
> > > > This isn't going to do the company any good when you broadcast
> > > > e-mails out too a public mail alias. What are you tring to
> > > > state here?
> > > >
> > > > JC
> > > >
> > > > C i s c o S y s t e m s John Cameron
> > > > Network Engineer
> > > > Research Triangle Park
> > > > || || Cisco Systems, Inc.
> > > > || ||
> > > > |||| ||||
> > > > ..:||||||:..:||||||:..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dezhong [mailto:dcai@cisco.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:59 PM
> > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi, all,
> > > >
> > > > I heard many stories about how difficult to get the CCIE and how
> > > > valuable it
> > > > is. So now I'm.
> > > >
> > > > I joined Cisco last June as a new graduate student without any cisco
> > > > background.
> > > > I passed the CCIE in last Dec. My salary is still as low as 68,000.
> My
> > > > grade is still as low as 6. And it seem there is no big promotion in
> the
> > > > near future. No promotion to grade 8.
> > > >
> > > > I don't feel it is difficult to pass the CCIE. I also doubt the
value
> of
> > > > the
> > > > CCIE. In my opinion, even you have CCIE, it still depend on whether
> you
> > > > have
> > > > good experience. Like me, without any work experience except in
cisco
> > > > for
> > > > several months. Can you see I'm a valuable CCIE?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dezhong Cai
> > > > Cisco Systems, CCIE # 6621
> > > >
> > > >
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