From: Stephen Masraum (masraum@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Jan 18 2001 - 19:36:46 GMT-3
In the market the CCIE is more valuable than experience more so than other
certifications because it is more difficult to fake than written tests.
Another thing you don't realize because of your limited experience is that
often people with 5 years of experience running a corporate network may not
have actually learned that much. An example (I worked on one of the Cisco
TAC's for a while but had no "real world" experience) One of my old TAC
colleagues was interviewing with someone once who tried to imply that he had
very little "real world" experience. My colleague asked the interviewer how
often the interviewers network went down. Once a month was the reply from
the interviewer. My friend then told the interviewer that he dealt with and
solved 20 similar issues a week at our job. From a configuration and
troubleshooting standpoint there is not much better experience than TAC work
especially when you consider that we often did telnet or dial into
customer's routers and switches to fix the problem which is just as hands on
as consoling in from 3 feet away. And even more difficult requiring more
skill is having to troubleshoot and resolve a problem without being able to
get your hands into the IOS having to rely on the word of someone of unknown
proficiency for your information.
With the CCIE experience is easy to come by without the CCIE it is much
harder to get that experience and you are much less well paid in the
meantime.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
dezhong
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 4:02 PM
To: Brian Hescock
Cc: Cameron, John; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
Hi, all,
I'm sorry to write that idiot email. Please don't reply it any more.
Actually I only want to know, CCIE certification and experience, which is
more important? which is more valuable?
I'm really sorry about my email because I didn't say it clearly and didn't
say it in a good way.
Thank you for your forgiving.
Dezhong Cai
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Hescock" <bhescock@cisco.com>
To: "dezhong" <dcai@cisco.com>
Cc: "Cameron, John" <johcamer@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> Dezhong,
> You might want to unsubscribe from this list if you think the CCIE is
so
> easy and has no real value. All you're going to do is piss people off by
> making comments like that.
>
> Brian
>
> dezhong wrote:
>
> > Hi, John,
> >
> > You misunderstand me. I like cisco and still work hard for my group as
> > before.
> > I only want to say here is: CCIE, just another IT certification. We
don't
> > need to pay so much attention on it.
> > I don't know why so many people think it is so difficult and so
valuable?
> >
> > Dezhong Cai
> > Cisco Systems, CCIE # 6621
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cameron, John" <johcamer@cisco.com>
> > To: "Cai, Dezhong" <dcai@cisco.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 1:34 PM
> > Subject: RE: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> >
> > > I wonder why your working at cisco with this kind of attitude.
> > >
> > > This isn't going to do the company any good when you broadcast
> > > e-mails out too a public mail alias. What are you tring to
> > > state here?
> > >
> > > JC
> > >
> > > C i s c o S y s t e m s John Cameron
> > > Network Engineer
> > > Research Triangle Park
> > > || || Cisco Systems, Inc.
> > > || ||
> > > |||| ||||
> > > ..:||||||:..:||||||:..
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dezhong [mailto:dcai@cisco.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 3:59 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: CCIE, is it difficult? is it valuable?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, all,
> > >
> > > I heard many stories about how difficult to get the CCIE and how
> > > valuable it
> > > is. So now I'm.
> > >
> > > I joined Cisco last June as a new graduate student without any cisco
> > > background.
> > > I passed the CCIE in last Dec. My salary is still as low as 68,000.
My
> > > grade is still as low as 6. And it seem there is no big promotion in
the
> > > near future. No promotion to grade 8.
> > >
> > > I don't feel it is difficult to pass the CCIE. I also doubt the value
of
> > > the
> > > CCIE. In my opinion, even you have CCIE, it still depend on whether
you
> > > have
> > > good experience. Like me, without any work experience except in cisco
> > > for
> > > several months. Can you see I'm a valuable CCIE?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dezhong Cai
> > > Cisco Systems, CCIE # 6621
> > >
> > >
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