From: Damien (damien@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Jan 11 2001 - 11:26:29 GMT-3
George,
Is your sister married ? if not I will exchange my CCIE# for her
number......
just kidding.........
I have met a few Monkey CCIE's in my time, assuming you are speaking
figuratively........!
Damien
CCIE#6634
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lampron, George" <glampron@den.ipalliance.net>
To: "'Nigel Taylor'" <nigel_taylor@hotmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:42 PM
Subject: RE: Women CCIE's ... uuuuugggghhhh!!
> Please,
>
> If you are really concerned with the topic of women's role invest some
time
> in learning historic truths.
>
> In North America the Iroquois Nation was the most sophisticated group of
> tribes stretching from Canada to Georgia and the heads of the tribes were
> women.
> I don't think there is anything fascinating about females holding a CCIE.
> If it's her aspiration fine, if a woman wants to do something else cool.
> I have a sister who is a Harvard Grad who has earned $600,000 to
$2,300,000
> a year and is taking time off to raise her kids if you were to call her
> barefoot and pregnant I'm sure you'd find your head up well...
>
> Man just do your own thing and quit acting like we need to have some kind
of
> quota for women in the CCIE.
>
>
> Anybody else interested in how many of this or that are CCIE's ?????
>
> How many monkeys are CCIE's????
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nigel Taylor [mailto:nigel_taylor@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:28 AM
> To: Varzari, Yuri; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
>
>
> I'm guessing this what our society is teaching us.. Well, at least it
seems
> that we've moved away from the pregnant and barefoot mentality. Still,
the
> fields identified sure does associate itself to a woman being in the
field.
> I guess in a couple of years things will be different......I hope.
>
> To many smart women out there for us to be thinking like this. Just
> thinking about it, I can name three of them... wait a minute they're my"
3
> Sisters". :-)
>
> Nigel.
>
> > When she walked in to the class and wrote her name on the board with
CCIE
> > number followed I did not believed. You can imagine Pamela be a flower
> > decorator or therapist or veterinarian doctor, but not a Network
Engineer.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Varzari, Yuri <varzari@corp.earthlink.net>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:12 AM
> Subject: RE: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
>
>
> > I had a chance to take a BSCN class with Pamela Forsyth.
> > When she walked in to the class and wrote her name on the board with
CCIE
> > number followed I did not believed. You can imagine Pamela be a flower
> > decorator or therapist or veterinarian doctor, but not a Network
Engineer.
> > It was just hard for me to associate her working with Cisco 7500
routers
> or
> > Frame Relay connections:).
> > But I can say now, that it was the best training course I had. I guess
the
> > woman just more patient and helpful!
> > Needless to say, I passed BSCN few days later. I was more confident on
> this
> > exam, then on any others.
> >
> > Yuri Varzari
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Libone Mhlanga [mailto:libone@digisle.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:07 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
> >
> >
> > Hello Folks,
> > You obviously haven't heard of my company then ( SF based ) :- the
Company
> > CEO & Chairman is a woman, the President of Network Engineering is a
> woman,
> > the Director of Network Engineering is a woman, the Customer Engineering
> > manager is woman and they are all bloody good as well !!
> >
> > Li
> > At 04:25 PM 12/23/00 -0500, Pamela Forsyth wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks, Chuck, for the lovely compliments. Of course, everyone is
> welcome
> > >to view the cats. ;-) I think this link will work:
> > >
> > >http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4293362347
> > >
> > >Getting back to the original off-topic topic . . .
> > >
> > >With respect to the fact that networking seems to be a male-dominated
> > >field, I agree totally. It is very difficult for women to get ahead,
> > >especially to get that entry-level job relating to infrastructure
rather
> > >than server administration or end-user support.
> > >
> > >Deborah Tannen has published a couple of books on gender-related
> > >communication issues that I believe shed a lot of light on this topic:
> > >"You Just Don't Understand," and "Talking from 9 to 5." Both were
> > >best-sellers ten years or so ago and are probably still in print. Her
> > >thesis is that men and women have very different goals in communicating
> > >and this accounts for most of the misunderstandings that occur in
> > >interpersonal relationships and in the workplace.
> > >
> > >I have observed in job interviews (having been both interviewer and
> > >interviewee) that women tend to be far more conservative about their
> > >capabilities than they should, while most men will exaggerate quite a
> lot.
> > >I know I've been turned down for jobs because I'm a woman. Guess they
> > >couldn't see me doing my share of the heavy lifting.
> > >
> > >I know three other female CCIEs personally, and several others by name
> and
> > >reputation. I don't think the percentage is even close to being 20
> > >percent as another respondent speculated here. My own estimate would
be
> > >less than 5 percent. The percentage of female students in my BSCN
> classes
> > >is running less than 10.
> > >
> > >Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all out there.
> > >
> > >Pamela
> > >
> > >On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have also had the distinct pleasure of meeting Pamela Forsythe,
who
> in
> > my
> > > > early days on Groupstudy was particularly helpful and from whom I
> > learned
> > > > quite a bit - in attitude, comportment, as well as knowledge )
Pamela
> is
> > > > very funny. I've got a link to her on-line photo album of her cats.
> > Wonder
> > > > if she'd mind if I shared it?
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know Clare Gough? I used her book with good result for the
> ACRC,
> > and
> > > > I've always felt I should buy her dinner as a thank you.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > radha rani
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 1:59 PM
> > > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
> > > >
> > > > Just curious - how many women CCIEs are out there? This is a pretty
> > > > male-dominated field. I know one and was curious as to the total
> > number.
> > > > Thanks.
> > >
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