From: Varzari, Yuri (varzari@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Jan 10 2001 - 12:12:13 GMT-3
I had a chance to take a BSCN class with Pamela Forsyth.
When she walked in to the class and wrote her name on the board with CCIE
number followed I did not believed. You can imagine Pamela be a flower
decorator or therapist or veterinarian doctor, but not a Network Engineer.
It was just hard for me to associate her working with Cisco 7500 routers or
Frame Relay connections:).
But I can say now, that it was the best training course I had. I guess the
woman just more patient and helpful!
Needless to say, I passed BSCN few days later. I was more confident on this
exam, then on any others.
Yuri Varzari
-----Original Message-----
From: Libone Mhlanga [mailto:libone@digisle.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:07 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
Hello Folks,
You obviously haven't heard of my company then ( SF based ) :- the Company
CEO & Chairman is a woman, the President of Network Engineering is a woman,
the Director of Network Engineering is a woman, the Customer Engineering
manager is woman and they are all bloody good as well !!
Li
At 04:25 PM 12/23/00 -0500, Pamela Forsyth wrote:
>Thanks, Chuck, for the lovely compliments. Of course, everyone is welcome
>to view the cats. ;-) I think this link will work:
>
>http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4293362347
>
>Getting back to the original off-topic topic . . .
>
>With respect to the fact that networking seems to be a male-dominated
>field, I agree totally. It is very difficult for women to get ahead,
>especially to get that entry-level job relating to infrastructure rather
>than server administration or end-user support.
>
>Deborah Tannen has published a couple of books on gender-related
>communication issues that I believe shed a lot of light on this topic:
>"You Just Don't Understand," and "Talking from 9 to 5." Both were
>best-sellers ten years or so ago and are probably still in print. Her
>thesis is that men and women have very different goals in communicating
>and this accounts for most of the misunderstandings that occur in
>interpersonal relationships and in the workplace.
>
>I have observed in job interviews (having been both interviewer and
>interviewee) that women tend to be far more conservative about their
>capabilities than they should, while most men will exaggerate quite a lot.
>I know I've been turned down for jobs because I'm a woman. Guess they
>couldn't see me doing my share of the heavy lifting.
>
>I know three other female CCIEs personally, and several others by name and
>reputation. I don't think the percentage is even close to being 20
>percent as another respondent speculated here. My own estimate would be
>less than 5 percent. The percentage of female students in my BSCN classes
>is running less than 10.
>
>Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all out there.
>
>Pamela
>
>On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> >
> > I have also had the distinct pleasure of meeting Pamela Forsythe, who in
my
> > early days on Groupstudy was particularly helpful and from whom I
learned
> > quite a bit - in attitude, comportment, as well as knowledge ) Pamela is
> > very funny. I've got a link to her on-line photo album of her cats.
Wonder
> > if she'd mind if I shared it?
> >
> > Anyone know Clare Gough? I used her book with good result for the ACRC,
and
> > I've always felt I should buy her dinner as a thank you.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > radha rani
> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 1:59 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Women CCIEs (Off topic)
> >
> > Just curious - how many women CCIEs are out there? This is a pretty
> > male-dominated field. I know one and was curious as to the total
number.
> > Thanks.
>
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