From: Lampron, George (glampron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Jan 05 2001 - 19:41:29 GMT-3
Enough with this thread.
NO More
Whining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: achew@unmail.org [mailto:achew@unmail.org]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:18 PM
To: Andrew; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: changes are coming
I don't believe any vendor is out to make big bucks on certifications - they
benefit more from having trained and skilled engineers passing the
certification. And having certified engineers which 'bought' or 'cheated'
their way (eg. a who lot of MCSEs out there) totally devalues the
certification.
Those people who think they know and don't bother to find out if they are
ready - are exactly we shouldn't be looking for in engineers. The CCIE
isn't for them - and if they aren't willing to put effort into it, setting
entry requirements higher will help prevent any likelihood of 'fluke' CCIEs.
Building too many labs and letting everyone take a shot a month makes it
more a matter of money to pay the lab fess and chance than forcing
individuals to work harder and learn more.
I still stand by my earlier suggestion - for those who fail on Day 1 they
should be penalized and forced to wait longer (minimum 3 months), and maybe
there needs to be a cap of say 3-4 attempts per year as well. Making the
CCIE lab extremely easily available will result in a flood of CCIEs that
passed out of dozens of retakes - which devalues the certification itself...
something I'm sure current CCIEs and those who are working HARD to getting
their CCIEs would not like to see.
A 2-3 month waiting list for those who almost passed the 1st time around
might even be acceptable, but the flood of people who aren't ready taking
the CCIE exam has caused the backlogs. If you do the math - 40% that get to
Day 2 - that would mean the current waiting time of 6-8 months might be 2-3
monts if all those who aren't ready can be stopped from taking the exam
prematurely.
Regards,
Adrian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew" <arousch@home.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: changes are coming
> Why would Cisco care how many people attempt the lab or the backlog?
Cisco
> is cleaning up with the lab costs. I think if YOU feel you are ready to
> take the lab then go for it. What possible prerequisites should be
> imposed? You must pass a PRE-lab? Another written? Get your CCNP and
> CCDP before attempting? Those are ridiculous. If ANYTHING Cisco should
> just create another lab facility (or two, three, four) to accommodate the
> ADDITIONAL interest in the CCIE program.
>
> -A
>
> At 11:29 AM 1/5/01 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >FYI, I spoke to one of the CCIE lab registration coordinators this week
and it
> >is clear that Cisco is taking action to improve, or at least change the
lab
> >registration process. It seems certain that they will move away from the
> >cancellation wait list concept within the next couple of months and
> >migrate to a
> >web-based registration process. This will be a first come, first served
> >process
> >that places the burden on the candidate to check for openings.
> >
> >Less definite, but seriously being considered are better registration
> >opportunities for candidates who do not pass the lab, but at least make
it to
> >the 2nd day. Apparently they are getting too many people in the lab who
> >need to
> >spend more time on self-study. Applying additional prerequisites to CCIE
> >candidates before admission to the lab are also being considered.
> >
> >Nice to hear that Cisco is responding, especially with lab registration
dates
> >running into mid to late June at present.
> >
> >
> >
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