From: Lampron, George (glampron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Jan 02 2001 - 12:30:19 GMT-3
Not in a million years.
I know tooo many CCNP's who don't have the hands on experience to handle
half of the CCIE topics.
How do you get to pass the CCIE? Practice, Practice, Practice.
George Lampron
Manager
KPMG Consulting Inc.
Rocky Mountain Broadband Solutions Center.
Denver, Colorado
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Rogers [mailto:drogers@icscorp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 7:43 AM
To: 'tv'; Jonathan Hays
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Backlog for CCIE Lab (RTP at least)
How about only allowing CCNPs to take the CCIE Lab Exam? Eliminate the CCIE
written exam. Require a CCNP instead. Would this reduce the backlog?
Would this increase the number passing the lab exam?
-----Original Message-----
From: tv [mailto:tvarriale@telocity.com]
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 1:28 PM
To: Jonathan Hays
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Backlog for CCIE Lab (RTP at least)
>I have been told by several Cisco SEs (and I assume they were just
repeating the party
> line) that Cisco needs CCIEs (and other certified Cisco professionals) to
design and
> service Cisco equipment pure and simple.
Yes, they do. But, from my experience, they need those people to service
the accounts they don't want to. Cisco wants the 4 BPX CLEC account....they
don't want the 10 router frame network.......that's where the partners come
in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Hays" <jhays@acropolis.com>
Cc: <cisco@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Backlog for CCIE Lab (RTP at least)
> Chuck, I think your numbers are way off. Even if we forget the overhead
for lab
> equipment, electricity, etc. I believe that the staff and hours to support
the CCIE exam
> is substantial (there's more than just a lab proctor or two behind the
scenes - what
> about people who do training, write exams, etc.). Cisco SEs spend many
hours each week
> presenting free CCIE prep seminars to Cisco resellers. And so on.
>
> On a cost accounting basis, I wouldn't be surprised if Cisco is actually
losing money. I
> have been told by several Cisco SEs (and I assume they were just repeating
the party
> line) that Cisco needs CCIEs (and other certified Cisco professionals) to
design and
> service Cisco equipment pure and simple. They don't have near enough
employees to handle
> the huge demand. One even told me that Cisco would love to have thousands
and thousands
> of CCIEs out there but it simply is not possible to lower the standards.
>
> -Jonathan
>
> Chuck Larrieu wrote:
>
> > >> I was told Cisco was trying to reduce the problem, but not how they
were
> > going to achieve their goal. (I wish them luck)<<
> >
> > some cruel and unusual thoughts come to mind.
> >
> > 1) Set some arbitrary standard such that people who fail day one by more
> > than so many points have a 90 day wait for retest, rather than 30 days.
Or
> > you have to at least made it into day 2 to be able to retest within 30
days.
> > Some such thing
> >
> > 2) Limit the number of times one may attempt the lab in any 12 month
period.
> >
> > 3) Increase the price charged for each lab attempt. E.g. 1K for first
> > attempt, 2K for 2nd, 5K for third
> >
> > I say this half jokingly, but half seriously. I talk to a lot of people
who
> > take the lab, both those who have passed and those who have not.
> > The old rule of economics holds true - people act according to their
> > perceived best interest. If someone else is footing the bill, and there
is
> > no disincentive for failure, then people will act accordingly. They will
> > book themselves and make attempts even when they know they have no hope
of
> > passing. They will schedule attempt after attempt because there is no
reason
> > not to, especially if someone else pays, and especially if there is no
> > penalty for failure.
> >
> > To be frank, I don't see any incentive for Cisco to do anything to
change
> > things on the demand side. They might add more racks, or more lab
locations.
> > But do the numbers some time. Cisco is booking something like 25 - 30
people
> > a week in San Jose alone. That's 25-30 K per week in revenue, or at
least
> > 1.3 million a year. So they pay a couple of lab proctors 150K each. The
rest
> > is pure profit. ( yes, I know from an accounting standpoint there are
> > several other cost factors ) So the incentive from Cisco's standpoint is
do
> > figure out ways to add revenue, rather than limit testing attempts.
> >
> > I look for Cisco to announce a bit more capacity, either in terms of
adding
> > another location or adding more racks at existing locations. Or both.
There
> > is a ton of money to be made in the certification game, and as the
entity
> > that controls the rules and the market, Cisco certainly enjoys the
lion's
> > share of that revenue.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> > CiscoCCStuff@aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 9:04 AM
> > To: cisco@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Backlog for CCIE Lab (RTP at least)
> >
> > I am a little behind on my mail, so please forgive me if this has been
> > answered.
> >
> > I called to schedule my lab on Dec 21. The next date available was June
> > 11-12 at RTP. SIX MONTH BACKLOG...WOW!!!
> >
> > I did not ask about other test centers, but would imagine similar
bookings.
> > I was told Cisco was trying to reduce the problem, but not how they were
> > going to achieve their goal. (I wish them luck)
> >
> > Jon Burns
> > CCNP, CCDP, Lab Candidate
> > Now, I just need to get a job! ;-)
> >
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