From: Scott Morris (smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Oct 04 2000 - 10:28:40 GMT-3
First... The thing to think about is that each type of box has its place.
Junipers are designed for core applications, as is the GSR... (I don't even
know if you can do IPX, IBM or Appletalk on a GSR natively) Or why you'd
want to...
Each box has its place.
Secondly, this is supposed to be a discussion about issues related to the
CCIE lab. NOT a religious arguement about Cisco or Juniper, or whoever
else... the GSRs are NOT going to be in the CCIE lab.
So does is matter? If you want to wait for Juniper to come out with their
certification and testing stuff, go ahead. But don't talk about it here...
Perhaps Paul will create a jcielab@groupstudy.com mailing list for those
interested.
While I enjoy hearing things about Juniper, and will perhaps (in my spare
time! (grin)) learn to program the Juniper interface... I also believe
there's a time and a place to talk about it, and here is not it.
Just my opinion....
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Andrew
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:08 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: OT: Juniper........
At 12:09 PM 10/4/00 +0800, Chan, Echo wrote:
>Cisco are selling not only 12000 Series Router when they meet Juniper. They
>sell a total solution. 12000 + 6509 (GigabitEthernet Switches). You know --
>ATM are dying.
>
>I do agree with Brian. Juniper's features are so limited since they have no
>ipx/appletalk/ibm. However, It is a fact that people are migrating to
>Juniper because of MPLS.
No ipx/appletalk/ibm? heh Junipers are designed for one role only - IP
backbone transport. It's config and interface is foreign to those who have
not used it. A Juniper configuration looks no more foreign and confusing
than a Cisco config looks to someone who has never used a Cisco box before.
>Do you think Cisco high-end models with no problems?? I get dialy report
>from Cisco on bugs alert.
>
>When you type "show config". You may think it looks like C. Because they
add
>"{", "}" to better manage the config. I think we should try to accept new
>thing not just happy with Cisco CLI.
>
>There are no different when you config the router However, Junos provides
>CLI features that are good for large config file.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Hescock [mailto:bhescock@cisco.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 11:45 AM
>To: Chan, Echo
>Cc: 'Andrew'; damien; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: OT: Juniper........
>
>
>It's apples and oranges. Yes, someone can be faster if it's a
>stripped down model with hardly any features. Let's see what kind of
>problems they have when they start adding features... ;-) I've heard they
>already have a problem with 30% of their packets being out of
>sequence. And personally, I've seen one of their configs and it's
>ugly. You would like it if you're a programmer because the config looks
>like C. Not my idea of fun... my $.02 anyway.
>
>Brian
>
>On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Chan, Echo wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Based on BSD but only BSD you can't run JUNOS. Juniper had PC versions
for
> > laboratory. You need Intel 10/100 Network Card. All cisco guys know that
> > M20/M40/160 are much better than Cisco 12000. That's why UUNET migrate
all
> > backbone routers (Actually not only backbone routers) to junipers. Many
>ISPs
> > are migrate to Juniper.
> >
> > Junos provides better CLI and commands semantic are similar to Cisco. I
> > always try to translate Junos command to cisco equivalent.
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew [mailto:arousch@home.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 8:40 AM
> > To: damien; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OT: Juniper........
> >
> >
> > Juniper is definitely a fat box. The OS is based on FreeBSD. If you
are
> > familiar with BSD then you will be right at home with JunOS.
> >
> > At 01:12 AM 10/4/00 +0000, damien wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just wondering has anyobdy used these boxes and what are there feelings
on
> > Junipers Success in the Market place, whats the front end
> > like.............From feedback I have received from non-biased
Engineers;
> > Juniper kicks ass in terms of performance but is not as feature
> > rich...................
> >
> > I am just wondering down the road are we going to be going for
> > JCIE...............I think it is wise to have experience in both, not to
> > mention the money u can earn..................just
> > pondering.................
> >
> > A lot of people are jumping on the CCIE bandwagon for various reasons;
> > people looking for the challenge, the money, FA else to do, others ( the
> > weird that is) looking for an avenue for
> > Divorce.............etc....etc.............and hence the money is going
> > down....well this is the case in the UK.............
> >
> > thoughts, humour, all major credit cards accepted........ :-)
> >
> > D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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