From: Christopher M. Heffner (cheffner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Sep 27 2000 - 17:21:07 GMT-3
Kevin:
It was not a document from Cisco but a comment made by Mike during the
all
day Power Session.
Chris "The Bulldog" Heffner
Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
IMCR Course Director
Certified Cisco Systems Instructor
CCSI, CCNA, CCDA, MCT, MCSE, MCNI, MCNE, CLI, CLP, CTT, ASE, A+
cheffner@attglobal.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Baumgartner [mailto:kbaumgar@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 1:29 PM
To: cheffner@attglobal.net
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Comment about NEVER searching CD RE: CCIE#5983 - My
experience at Halifax
Well if that's the policy it's not being applied!
Might want to post the document that say this to the group. Then
at least if people loss time in the lab on PC related problems they
have something to back them up to get time back.
Kevin
>
> Kevin:
> This Cisco policy was stated by Mike Reid at the Cisco Networkers
Conference
> at the CCIE Power Session.
>
>
>
> Chris "The Bulldog" Heffner
> Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> IMCR Course Director
> Certified Cisco Systems Instructor
> CCSI, CCNA, CCDA, MCT, MCSE, MCNI, MCNE, CLI, CLP, CTT, ASE, A+
> cheffner@attglobal.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Baumgartner [mailto:kbaumgar@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 12:49 PM
> To: Christopher M. Heffner
> Subject: RE: Comment about NEVER searching CD RE: CCIE#5983 - My
> experience at Halifax
>
>
> Good concept but I don't think this is Cisco's policy.
> I would be very interested to knowing where this is told. With my first
> attempt
> I had PC's problems that took 1 hour to fix. I didn't get the time back.
> Maybe I
> should have made a issue about it but at the time I was too stressed
trying
> to
>
>
> Kevin
>
> At 12:43 PM 9/27/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Rena:
> > If there were hardware problem with the computer not being able
to
> read the
> >cd documentation the proctor should have automatically extend your time
by
> >the time lost trying to fix the problem. The clock should have been
> stopped
> >until the problem was resolved so you would not lose any time. That is
> >Cisco's policy with regards to the CCIE lab.
> >
> >Chris "The Bulldog" Heffner
> >Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> >IMCR Course Director
> >Certified Cisco Systems Instructor
> >CCSI, CCNA, CCDA, MCT, MCSE, MCNI, MCNE, CLI, CLP, CTT, ASE, A+
> >cheffner@attglobal.net
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> >aiqun hu
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 8:36 PM
> >To: adwait_tare@yahoo.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: RE: Comment about NEVER searching CD RE: CCIE#5983 - My
> >experience at Halifax
> >
> >
> >Just want to add my experience at Halifax recently.
> >
> >I was so "lucky" on my first attempt that I couldn't get my Cisco CD
> working
> >on the morning of my second day. The proctor and I rejected the CD
several
> >times and reboot the machine as well. But still no use. So I had to use
> >another machine for Cisco CD and move back to my machine after I got the
> >simple configurations or commands. No copy and paste of course. Even
worse,
> >I had to remember all the commands which I found from the Cisco CD and
> >typied it back to my console terminal one by one. After I got tried about
> >this stupid problem, I hated to use Cisco CD on another machine and just
> did
> >the configuration based on my guess or unclear memory. For sure, I lost a
> >few points for the areas which I am not familiar with or never heard
about
> >before. It wasted at least half hour or more than that and let me
> resistance
> >to use Cisco CD. I got failed on the second morning.
> >
> >Anyone has this kind of experience before? Is it an usual case??? Any
place
> >I could complain??? Or could I get a free testing or at least half hour
> more
> >on my second day??? Just feel it's so unfair and don't want to go back to
> >study this week.
> >
> >Thanks for your patience and take care,
> >Rena
> >
> > >From: Adwait Tare <adwait_tare@yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: Adwait Tare <adwait_tare@yahoo.com>
> > >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >Subject: RE: Comment about NEVER searching CD RE: CCIE#5983
> > >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:21:45 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Why did I stop receiving messages .... Is there a
> > >problem. I have just given my CCIe qual 2nd time and I
> > >am planning for Lab in about next 4 months. Please
> > >include me back in your mailing list and start sending
> > >me the mails. Thanks a lot ..... Adwait
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Brian Hescock <bhescock@cisco.com> wrote:
> > > > I disagree. A colleague of mine passed the lab the
> > > > first time but there
> > > > was one area, which I have no idea what it was, that
> > > > he didn't know
> > > > much about he said. Since it was his first time
> > > > testing, I'm sure he was
> > > > already very short on points so every point counted.
> > > > He went onto the CD,
> > > > found a sample config, copied and pasted it into the
> > > > router, and got it
> > > > working. He passed. There's an excellent chance he
> > > > would not have passed
> > > > had he not used the CD and found the working
> > > > configuration. But he was
> > > > well prepared for the exam so he didn't waste a lot
> > > > of time and could
> > > > afford to look up certain things on the CD that he
> > > > didn't know.
> > > >
> > > > I agree that if you don't go into the exam very
> > > > prepared and rely on the
> > > > CD you will not pass. But please don't say no one
> > > > has the time to use the
> > > > CD. My colleague did and so did I. But I also took
> > > > the time to look
> > > > over the CD and know what is where and can get to
> > > > most items within a few
> > > > clicks within seconds. The Internetwork Design,
> > > > Internetwork Case
> > > > Studies, and Internetwork Troubleshooting sections
> > > > at the bottom of the
> > > > CD home page are invaluable references with many
> > > > many of the areas that
> > > > are on the exam (this isn't NDA info because it's
> > > > common knowledge
> > > > you're going to get frame relay, isdn, ipx, bgp,
> > > > etc). They have working
> > > > configurations. I've used the CD to prove to the
> > > > proctor that what I was
> > > > trying to do was valid and that it appeared to be a
> > > > bug. I could do that
> > > > because I had a working config from the CD up on the
> > > > screen (and I had
> > > > also done it in a lab a week earlier). I received
> > > > full credit for
> > > > the area even though it wasn't working.
> > > >
> > > > So please don't say that no one has time to use the
> > > > CD, that's a
> > > > generalization and a dis-service to everyone else.
> > > > But... you must be
> > > > prepared going into the exam and not rely on the CD.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Eugene Nesterenko wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Again
> > > > >
> > > > > Gents and (I hope the) Ladies
> > > > >
> > > > > Please UNDERSTAND WHAT Cisco wants from us - i.e.
> > > > CCIE's
> > > > > The scenarios are UNREAL - i.e you'll never see
> > > > the problems like these at
> > > > > the labs
> > > > > in real world.
> > > > > You really have to be smart and be able to adapt
> > > > quickly.
> > > > > TRUST ME - THERE's NO TIME TO SEARCH CD AT THE LAB
> > > > TIME
> > > > > YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU NEED To FIND.
> > > > > Brian pointed that this DOC CD is excellent.
> > > > > Of course he's right.
> > > > > BUT YOU'LL HAVE NO TIME TO EXPLORE THAT EXCELLENCE
> > > > AT ALL!!!!
> > > > > As I was told by my proctor - "You're the expert -
> > > > just prove that"
> > > > > Spend your time to know ALL on that CD...
> > > > > I got that - sure YOU can do that as well...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Eugene
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------
> > > > > Eugene Nesterenko, CCIE #5283, CCNP+Security,
> > > > CCDP, MCSE
> > > > > Fax/VoiceMail: +1 415 7043497
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > > > > niallr@attglobal.net
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:33 PM
> > > > > To: Brian Hescock; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Comment about NEVER searching CD RE:
> > > > CCIE#5983
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My experience in RTP last week was wretched. Yeah,
> > > > Netscape loaded quickly
> > > > > and all
> > > > > that, but from the start all it loaded was
> > > > gobbledygook. The substitute
> > > > > proctor
> > > > > was unable to get it working, so I had to fail on
> > > > my own merits( which I
> > > > > managed
> > > > > handily) :P Honestly, I was pretty annoyed about
> > > > not having a working CD on
> > > > > my PC
> > > > > and not getting any additional time to make up for
> > > > the time lost
> > > > > troubleshooting
> > > > > it\not being able to use it, as a few points and
> > > > some time would have made a
> > > > > large
> > > > > difference. The paper docs just do not cut it.
> > > > Having to get up and go
> > > > > search
> > > > > through the shelves and then flip through the book
> > > > is worse than trying to
> > > > > do a
> > > > > search on the CD.
> > > > >
> > > > > Niall
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Hescock wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Euguene,
> > > > > > My experience in RTP was exactly opposite.
> > > > Netscape was already up and
> > > > > > running and the PC's were actually rather quick.
> > > > I didn't have the
> > > > > > need to open a second browser window so I can't
> > > > attest to the
> > > > > > problem you're referring to. Perhaps they've
> > > > upgraded the RTP computers
> > > > > > recently, I was pleasantly surprised.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Eugene Nesterenko wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brian!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes - I'm ABSOLUTELY sure that that's really
> > > > bad idea.
> > > > > > > Especially if you taking your lab in Brussels.
> > > > > > > You have very slow computer with NT WS 4.0
> > > > with 16M of RAM ONLY.
> > > > > > > Netscape starts badly slow. Attempt to open
> > > > new browser window can lead
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > the system crash at all.
> > > > > > > That's not only my personal experience.
> > > > > > > The search process takes toooooooooo long.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So am I wrong?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eugene
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----------------------------------
> > > > > > > Eugene Nesterenko, CCIE #5283, CCNP+Security,
> > > > CCDP, MCSE
> > > > > > > Fax/VoiceMail: +1 415 7043497
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Brian Hescock
> > > > [mailto:bhescock@cisco.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 4:22 PM
> > > > > > > To: Erik Belz
> > > > > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; eenest@msn.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Comment about NEVER searching CD RE:
> > > > CCIE#5983
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Eugene,
> > > > > > > "NEVER try to search CD"??? I hope you're not
> > > > serious. If you've
> > > > > > > prepared adequately you do have time to search
> > > > the CD and also if you do
> > > > > > > it intelligently. Example: you can do a
> > > > search on a topic for one item
> > > > > > > but then quickly move to another router to
> > > > work on another aspect while
> > > > > > > the search is working. I found searching the
> > > > CD was actually rather
> > > > > > > quick. And also take advantage of the time
> > > > you have, while you're
> > > > > waiting
> > > >
> > >=== message truncated ===
> > >
> > >
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