From: Adwait Tare (adwait_tare@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Sep 26 2000 - 13:21:45 GMT-3
Why did I stop receiving messages .... Is there a
problem. I have just given my CCIe qual 2nd time and I
am planning for Lab in about next 4 months. Please
include me back in your mailing list and start sending
me the mails. Thanks a lot ..... Adwait
--- Brian Hescock <bhescock@cisco.com> wrote:
> I disagree. A colleague of mine passed the lab the
> first time but there
> was one area, which I have no idea what it was, that
> he didn't know
> much about he said. Since it was his first time
> testing, I'm sure he was
> already very short on points so every point counted.
> He went onto the CD,
> found a sample config, copied and pasted it into the
> router, and got it
> working. He passed. There's an excellent chance he
> would not have passed
> had he not used the CD and found the working
> configuration. But he was
> well prepared for the exam so he didn't waste a lot
> of time and could
> afford to look up certain things on the CD that he
> didn't know.
>
> I agree that if you don't go into the exam very
> prepared and rely on the
> CD you will not pass. But please don't say no one
> has the time to use the
> CD. My colleague did and so did I. But I also took
> the time to look
> over the CD and know what is where and can get to
> most items within a few
> clicks within seconds. The Internetwork Design,
> Internetwork Case
> Studies, and Internetwork Troubleshooting sections
> at the bottom of the
> CD home page are invaluable references with many
> many of the areas that
> are on the exam (this isn't NDA info because it's
> common knowledge
> you're going to get frame relay, isdn, ipx, bgp,
> etc). They have working
> configurations. I've used the CD to prove to the
> proctor that what I was
> trying to do was valid and that it appeared to be a
> bug. I could do that
> because I had a working config from the CD up on the
> screen (and I had
> also done it in a lab a week earlier). I received
> full credit for
> the area even though it wasn't working.
>
> So please don't say that no one has time to use the
> CD, that's a
> generalization and a dis-service to everyone else.
> But... you must be
> prepared going into the exam and not rely on the CD.
>
>
> Brian
>
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Eugene Nesterenko wrote:
>
> > Again
> >
> > Gents and (I hope the) Ladies
> >
> > Please UNDERSTAND WHAT Cisco wants from us - i.e.
> CCIE's
> > The scenarios are UNREAL - i.e you'll never see
> the problems like these at
> > the labs
> > in real world.
> > You really have to be smart and be able to adapt
> quickly.
> > TRUST ME - THERE's NO TIME TO SEARCH CD AT THE LAB
> TIME
> > YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU NEED To FIND.
> > Brian pointed that this DOC CD is excellent.
> > Of course he's right.
> > BUT YOU'LL HAVE NO TIME TO EXPLORE THAT EXCELLENCE
> AT ALL!!!!
> > As I was told by my proctor - "You're the expert -
> just prove that"
> > Spend your time to know ALL on that CD...
> > I got that - sure YOU can do that as well...
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Eugene
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > Eugene Nesterenko, CCIE #5283, CCNP+Security,
> CCDP, MCSE
> > Fax/VoiceMail: +1 415 7043497
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > niallr@attglobal.net
> > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 11:33 PM
> > To: Brian Hescock; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Comment about NEVER searching CD RE:
> CCIE#5983
> >
> >
> > My experience in RTP last week was wretched. Yeah,
> Netscape loaded quickly
> > and all
> > that, but from the start all it loaded was
> gobbledygook. The substitute
> > proctor
> > was unable to get it working, so I had to fail on
> my own merits( which I
> > managed
> > handily) :P Honestly, I was pretty annoyed about
> not having a working CD on
> > my PC
> > and not getting any additional time to make up for
> the time lost
> > troubleshooting
> > it\not being able to use it, as a few points and
> some time would have made a
> > large
> > difference. The paper docs just do not cut it.
> Having to get up and go
> > search
> > through the shelves and then flip through the book
> is worse than trying to
> > do a
> > search on the CD.
> >
> > Niall
> >
> > Brian Hescock wrote:
> >
> > > Euguene,
> > > My experience in RTP was exactly opposite.
> Netscape was already up and
> > > running and the PC's were actually rather quick.
> I didn't have the
> > > need to open a second browser window so I can't
> attest to the
> > > problem you're referring to. Perhaps they've
> upgraded the RTP computers
> > > recently, I was pleasantly surprised.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Eugene Nesterenko wrote:
> > >
> > > > Brian!
> > > >
> > > > Yes - I'm ABSOLUTELY sure that that's really
> bad idea.
> > > > Especially if you taking your lab in Brussels.
> > > > You have very slow computer with NT WS 4.0
> with 16M of RAM ONLY.
> > > > Netscape starts badly slow. Attempt to open
> new browser window can lead
> > to
> > > > the system crash at all.
> > > > That's not only my personal experience.
> > > > The search process takes toooooooooo long.
> > > >
> > > > So am I wrong?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Eugene
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------
> > > > Eugene Nesterenko, CCIE #5283, CCNP+Security,
> CCDP, MCSE
> > > > Fax/VoiceMail: +1 415 7043497
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Brian Hescock
> [mailto:bhescock@cisco.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 4:22 PM
> > > > To: Erik Belz
> > > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; eenest@msn.com
> > > > Subject: Comment about NEVER searching CD RE:
> CCIE#5983
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eugene,
> > > > "NEVER try to search CD"??? I hope you're not
> serious. If you've
> > > > prepared adequately you do have time to search
> the CD and also if you do
> > > > it intelligently. Example: you can do a
> search on a topic for one item
> > > > but then quickly move to another router to
> work on another aspect while
> > > > the search is working. I found searching the
> CD was actually rather
> > > > quick. And also take advantage of the time
> you have, while you're
> > waiting
>
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