From: pkm@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon Sep 25 2000 - 16:13:26 GMT-3
I have to agree with you that the proctor I had in SJ acted like you said "a
terrorist". It made feel like I was dumb and totally stupid. I told him that 1)
I
was not dumb and 2) I will be back. I persisted asking questions and I finally
got
him to help me. Even if you do not make it to the second day, you can get a lot
of
info. Try not to be too devasted. It is a learning experience. And the way I lo
ok at
this, it already takes a lot of courage to just sit down at the practical lab a
nd I
do no think that at this level any candidate is dumb (contrary to what proctor
might
make you feel). Are they testing you on much you want that "damned/doomed" CCIE
?
Probably. And one more thing, I find out there is a life outside the CCIE lab.
Not
worth sacrificing 6 month of your life or more. And even if I pass the lab, tha
t is
great but just the beginning. And I just hope I do not get an arrogant CCIE
attitude. There is so much more in life than just the CCIE. My 2 cents.
Sincerely,
Phillip Karim Moulay
Mike Chase wrote:
> >From a legal standpoint NDA can be summarized simply as the following :
>
> The intent is not to breach the integrity of the CCIE written & lab
> methodologies.
>
> So, while you may ask questions on here that are identical to what you may ha
ve
> taken in the lab or been asked on the written test, you may not make referenc
e
> to whether such material is or is not on a given test.
>
> This ensures that the vast content on here, as seen by the list members, is A
LL
> something worth studying and that there is truly no way to diffrentiate betwe
en
> one item or another as to it's potential usefulness against a given test in t
he
> CCIE realm.
>
> Someone would only recognize an identical match to a CCIE lab if they had tak
en
> the same lab as the the person posting the information; but of course that's
now
> useless because neither of you will ever get the same lab ever again, and the
> people who have not taken that lab have no idea this tidbit is even useful
> because you have not violated NDA by confirming nor denying it's applicabilit
y
> to CCIE certification.
>
> Complex, yet stunningly easy. And besides, despite the shellshock of the fir
st
> test, and the stress of going after that, you get to a point where it's just
fun
> and you really couldn't learn more by spending $1000 on say a class or someth
ing
> else, and you begin to appreciate the whole process and want to keep it in ta
ct.
>
> I think anyone who has taken the CCIE lab at least twice has serious fortitud
e.
>
> One last comment, the proctor I had in RTP, Alan, was a true professional.
> I've taken the lab 3x so far (and have made it to day 2) and he was the best
> proctor yet. I also was lucky to meet the proctor from Sydney who was in RT
P
> at the time, and he is a really nice guy too. Kudos to Jeff Buddemeier in R
TP
> and his staff.
>
> Except for Kathy, I would say the proctors in San Jose are terrorists.
>
> Last but not least, Broadcom chips power a wide range of Cisco products (take
a
> peek at a Catalyst 10/100 card soemtime.. or a Cisco Cable Router) and we are
> proud to be focused on promoting Cisco Certification within our organization.
>
> Everyone on here is very bright and I've seen some great material. Truly a
> guru get together!
>
> Best Rgds/
>
> Mike L. Chase
> Sr. Network Architect
> ISG: Information Services Group
> Broadcom Corporation World Headquarters, BLDG A-1050
> 16215 Alton Parkway, Irvine, California 92618-3616
> OFFICE:949-585-6057|CELL:949-283-4254|FAX:949-585-6227
> "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment
> that something else is more important than fear."
> -- Ambrose Redmoon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Robert McLean
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:18 PM
> To: ccnp today; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: NDA violations with this group
>
> Mr Nobody@groupstudy.com,
>
> I find it incredibly funny you choose not to use your real name.
>
> I am not a CCIE yet(and yes I have been to the lab) and I was one of the
> people who noticed that NDA issues were present on this list. That is
> unacceptable.
>
> Unless integrity (one of our core values at Cisco) is maintained in the
> program it could become another "CNE" type certification. Remember when the
> CNE was worth $? Now a CNE and $1.99 will get you a happy meal at McDonalds.
>
> Good luck in your hunt for CCIE.
>
> Robert McLean
> Systems Engineer
> Network Service Providers
> Cisco Systems Inc.
> 3636 Nobel Drive Suite 150
> San Diego, CA 92122
> Voice 858.658.7841
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> www.cisco.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> ccnp today
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:27 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: NDA violations with this group
>
> Why is it some of you CCIEs only get involved in this
> group to preach to us about the NDA? From my own
> personal experience with some recent CCIEs, they don't
> seem to care that much about violating the NDA policy
> BEFORE they take the test (and I can point to several
> who shared their previous labs with me) but boy does
> their opinion change once they get their cert! Then it
> was only by their hard work and dedication they
> passed. Not that I don't understand it, that's
> probably how I'll act too! I just can't stomach the
> whining! As if telling someone that multicasting will
> be on the exam will help them pass, give me a break.
> Feel free to flame!
>
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