From: Kevin Gannon (kevin@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sun Sep 03 2000 - 07:12:19 GMT-3
I also did brussels about 3 months ago now and never got to day two.
The proctor IMHO was less than helpful in the long walk back to the
exam room he asked when did I plan on comming back :( and then
he simply said that he hadnt time to go thorugh all my mistakes
yet told me a did very well in DLSW which killed me as I am very weak
in that area.
I knew I wasnt going to day two but he could have given me some
pointers. I was so annoyed I didnt go into day two to try and redo
the configs as I felt that he was no help then and wouldnt have been
any help the next day.
I am still trying to get the motivation to go back and start studying again
I havent looked at my rack since then.
Regards,
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesmond Psaila <jpsaila@prudent.net.au>
To: fixi mixi <mfixi@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:43 AM
Subject: RE: troubleshooting in brussels
> Derek,
>
> At lease you had the luxury of the proctor going through the first day lab
> with you in detail.
>
> In Sydney the morning after your first day you get told yes or no. I tried
> to extract information out of him to know what I did wrong but no success.
>
> Everybody out there what is the ruling on this, what level of feedback are
> you entitled to, It makes it very frustrating not to know what questions
you
> got wrong or right.
>
>
> jesmond
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> fixi mixi
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:53 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: troubleshooting in brussels
>
>
> Hi,
>
> This is the story of my lab exam.
> I flew to Brussels feeling no chance on the exam next day. My goal was to
> make it to the 2nd day.
> So I went there on the next morning feeling not particularly excited
knowing
> the final result anyway. Then we got the questions handed out. I looked
> through it and I didnt find it too difficult for the first sight. At that
> moment I got excited. Can I make it for the 2nd day? So I did my best. At
> the end of the day I felt that I wouldn't be surprised if I was told to go
> on next day too.
> The proctor graded our work and called us one by one. We went trough
> together on my configs. The proctor asked me questions pointing out my
> mistakes. Since he didnt asked me serious questions I assumed that I made
> the first day. My assumtion was right. He said that we will see eachother
> the next day. He didnt tell me points.
>
> Next morning I went there knowing that I reached my goal, the 2nd day. The
> questions were not too difficult again, so I thought I have even chance to
> make it for the troubleshooting? At lunch time I was pretty confident that
I
> can go for troubleshooting. And I thought, what is troubleshooting, there
is
> nothing to it, a few passwd recovery, playing with vlans on the cat, a few
> ip address changes, intf shutdowns, ospf area changes and it works. So it
> was so. After lunch it turned out that 3 of us can go for ts.
> There was only 2 hours for that. I started. Two pwd recovery, seems
nothing.
> I changed few params on the cat which were crucial and i even changed back
> the hostname. I thought it was important. In fact it was not. I went for
the
> routers. I spent a few minutes with changing nonsense (hostnames,
> passwds...). Then I thought lets make the connectivity work. I realised
that
> they changed lots of ip addresses. In fact they changed almost all of
them.
> I looked at ospf. It was totally messed up. Redistribution between routing
> protocols? Filters for redistribution? Nothing worked. I didnt even dare
to
> look at bgp.
> So frankly speaking I had to reconfigure the whole IP staff with routing.
I
> had to reconfigure the whole framerelay stuff. Delete subintfs which
> involves to reboot your routers again. (3mins)
>
> IPX and Apple were also in bad shape. None of my previously configured IPX
> addresses and apple cable- ranges were correct. ISDN needed
reconfiguration
> too. I was correcting ip ipx apple addresses during this two hours but i
did
> not get to the end.
>
> So I failed because of the ts. During this 2 hour I corrected at least 50
> errors all together and I see at least 20 more (not counting stupid
passwds
> on vty and hostnames)
>
> At the beginning of the ts i thought that i will be given some tricky
erros
> which need debugging and correct the problem. It was not so. The errors
were
> obvious. They didnt test your knowledge. They tested your typing ability
an
> copy-paste ability. They tested how fast you can type. I was quite upset
> about this stupidity and unfairness. This is not a question of knowledge,
> this is just to make the passing rate to 15%.
>
> At the end of ts i asked the proctor what they grade on ts. He was
preaching
> me about some sophisticated methodology how to approach the problem etc,
and
> he told me that basically they grade connectivity and anyway he is new at
> proctoring on the ccie lab. Yes, i sad, but in my case it ment that i
almost
> had to do the same thing in two hours which i was doung for two days
before.
> I wanted to ask him if he think that the ts is for human beings, but i did
> not want to ruin my chances for the nex try so i kept my mouth shut and
> tried to smile.
>
> Later on i talked to the other proctor (there were 2 groups taking the
exam,
> from 12 people only 1 passed) and I asked him how many errors they put all
> together in one persons config. 50-60, he answered. I had more than that.
>
> Final conclusion. My proctor was not willing to tell me (not only me) how
> many points i had reached in the different sessions. He said he didnt know
> because he was a beginner and it is not important anyway since i have
> failed. (that was nice of him)
> The other proctor told everybody the points.
> I dont know the practise in the states but in brussels it is just crazy
how
> they do ts.
> I dont understand if they have such a strict rules on us how to do things
on
> the exam why do they have free choice either telling you or not your
points.
> That is stupid. That was a self made up rule by my proctor.
> My oppinion that ts in brussels is just insane and not realistic, with
other
> word, stupid.
>
> Derek
>
> ps: lots of thing depends on the proctor, do not upset him
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