From: damien (damien@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Aug 15 2000 - 18:15:06 GMT-3
Guys,
All I can say is, amidst the stress of preparing for the nightmare, you are
putting a smile on my face with the banter......................
All I was looking for was some OSPF ideas...something new to test
me.................didn't realize I was throwing corn feed to the starving
chickens..........pecking starving chickens that is !!!
............calm down folks........its not worth getting upset
over...............
I guess this means no one has any.........do I take it as yes or no.....
:~)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Nicholson" <Shaun.Nicholson@KP.ORG>
To: "ccielab" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Cc: "brian" <brian@theatlasgroup.net>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: OSPF Labs
> Wow I guess I touched a nerve there you wouldn't happen to work for
cciebootcamp.com would you.
>
> My suggestion was to actually protect the labs they (or possibly you) sell
by attempting to suggest another method other than getting photocopies from
other people. I'm not saying that that was what the guy was trying to do but
that's what everyone else seemed to think.
>
> I have taken the lab and I do know what your saying I just think your
being a bit of an ass about it.
> Sorry man but you are.
>
> I never said my way was better it was just a suggestion a method to try.
That's the idea behind the group isn't it.
>
> Hey man if you read some of the comments this poor guy got for asking if
anyone had labs available then you might have realized why I made the
suggestion I did.
> If you read my original email I never knocked the resources of
cciebootcamp (or any other resources out there) I've never seen them so I
would not do that.
>
> The smart comments were from everyone else who started slagging the poor
guy off and accusing him of trying to get cciebootcamp labs for free which
in my opinion he was not trying to do. He was only looking for help like all
other people in this group hence the idea behind the group in the first
place.
>
> This group is for people to make suggestions and help out that was what I
was trying to do.
> If you want to slag someone off for poor quality material then get a look
at the McGraw Hill CCIE lab study guide now there's poor quality lab
material and also very misleading. Now there's a company who need a kick up
the backside.
> Again I'm sorry to the guy who wrote this but there is no way in the world
you are going to pass that lab on this book so why sell it as if you could.
>
>
> If you do work for cciebootcamp.com let me know and I will reconsider
purchasing the labs from you with this sort of communist ban of free speech
you seem to be enforcing I would have to reconsider spending my hard earned
cash on such a defensive short sighted company.
> If you don't then I apologize to cciebootcamp.com and expect to buy the
labs in the next week or so once I manage to scrape $650 together.
>
> Sorry man but I think this attack was uncalled for so I have defended
myself.
> If I have upset you in any way then I apologize but like I say I did not
rebuff any other method I only made a suggestion to people who like me think
$650 is a lot of money to be paying out in one go. Hell I couldn't afford
$650 extra for the lab even if it guaranteed me a pass. The road to CCIE is
not a cheap one not only in cash but also in time.
>
> Ok I get paid well enough but its a lot of money to fork out in one go.
> Before someone says "OH yes but you'll make it back once you pass" then
you lend it to me and I'll pay back once you pass. (yeah not so keen now are
you).
> I know I'll make it back once I get CCIE but that's not easy is it and I
notice there's no refund if I don't pass after using there labs.
> OK now that's not up for attack either I was only mentioning a fact and I
know they don't give guarantees I was only preempting the replies.
>
> Sorry but I had to get this off my chest.
>
> Shaun
>
>
>
>
>
> brian@theatlasgroup.net on 08/14/2000 04:02:00 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com@Internet
> cc: (bcc: Shaun Nicholson/MD/KAIPERM)
> Subject: RE: OSPF Labs
>
> Before you start knocking the resources that are available in preference
to
> your own methods, maybe you should add the 4 numbers behind your name, so
> that we can all feel comfortable that your method has at least worked
once.
> On the other hand, the other resources in question have worked countless
> times, and are recommended by many. You should consider that what you
seem
> to think are good labs, that you are making by rolling dice, may simply be
a
> waste of time. Yes you might once in a while actually run across a CCIE
> level issue, but I have invested a lot of time and money in my Lab prep,
and
> wouldn't be trusting my preparations on a Dice trick. At best you are
> learning the basics really well. The basics aren't what gets you on the
lab
> its the TWISTED unforeseen hidden issues that you have never/will never
run
> into in real life. Equate the lab to playing 7th Guest, from start to
> finish in 12 hours, and then having someone go in and mess up all your
> puzzles, and you have 4 hours to repair the damage.
>
> Using dice to develop lab scenarios is about like smashing your watch to
> pieces and throwing it off a cliff in hopes that it will re-assemble on
the
> way down.
>
> Brian
>
> ps. please don't take this the wrong way. I just wouldn't want others to
> make the same mistake.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Shaun Nicholson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:39 PM
> To: damien
> Cc: ccielab
> Subject: Re: OSPF Labs
>
>
> Do what I do. It makes it very interesting and more worth while in the
long
> run.
> Draw a network out with 6 routers and then use a dice to decide what to
run
> on what interface you can use this to build your own labs (any one remeber
> doing this for maps in D and D?).
> You also dont have the answers so you have to work out how to make it work
> on your own. Remember your trying to be a CCIE the E is Expert.
> I know it sounds silly but use your imagination a bit and it really does
> work well.
>
> Then you can tell all these guys to stick there smart comments and save
> yourself 650 bucks as well.
> I have about 6 of my own labs done in the above dice throw method if you
> really want to spend some cash I'm open to offers.
>
> Thanks
> Shaun
>
>
>
>
> damien@clara.co.uk on 08/08/2000 04:40:00 PM
> To: cjackson69@home.com@Internet, ccielab@groupstudy.com@Internet
> cc: (bcc: Shaun Nicholson/MD/KAIPERM)
> Subject: Re: OSPF Labs
>
> reading between the lines here.........does this mean nobody has any Labs
to
> offer........:~()
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Jackson" <cjackson69@home.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 5:11 PM
> Subject: RE: OSPF Labs
>
>
> > You may have no problem with distributing them, but I am sure Marc and
the
> > court system would feel differently about it. Marc and company have
spent
> a
> > considerable amount of time and research on developing fantastic labs.
You
> > do not have the right to distribute something that you do not own (when
> you
> > purchase his labs you are simply licensed to use them. You do not own
the
> > intellectual material). This group is not a place for that sort of
> activity.
> > I appreciate the fact that it can be expensive to pursue CCIE, but that
is
> > also part of it's value.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents
> >
> > Chris Jackson
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Gary.Frye@firstunion.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 8:20 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OSPF Labs
> >
> >
> > The lab scenario themselves are not what keeps CCIE bootcamps in
business.
> > The big money involves time on very expensive equipment.
> >
> > I have no problems accepting or distributing lab scenarios. If people
> have
> > their own equipment then they don't need the service of any practice or
> > virtual labs.
> >
> > -garyf
> >
> >
> > ---------------------- Forwarded by Gary Frye/AO/USR/FTU on 08/08/2000
> > 08:04 AM ---------------------------
> >
> >
> > gfrye@carolina.rr.com on 08/07/2000 06:22:03 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Gary Frye/AO/USR/FTU@FTU
> >
> > cc:
> >
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: OSPF Labs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I found the CCIE bootcamp labs very good and certainly good for studying
> for
> > the
> > CCIE. I would however strong recommend that parts of these labs are not
> > distributed in this group. They are not cheap I agree but that doesn't
> mean
> > that
> > we should freely distribute. I think they are worth the investment.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > At 09:27 PM 8/7/00 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Does anybody have any decent OSPF Labs they wouldn't mind sharing. I
have
> > >got some ideas from fatkid, thanks to Mr. Small, but after that I am
> > lacking
> > >ideas..... Does anybody have any Labs from the CCIE bootcamp, I hear
from
> > >the posts they are quite good, but look expensive.....
> > >
> > >Any suggestions...
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >D
> > >
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