From: Sam Munzani (sam@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Aug 14 2000 - 13:53:16 GMT-3
Can't agree more with you. I like this group because there is no
advertisement postings. The meaning of group is to help each other to
achieve our goals. I appreciate Paul's generocity and that should not be
abused.
Sam
> I have decided to remove Brad from the list. I hated doing it but every
few
> days working into the discussion ccbootcamp was really getting tiring.
Plus
> we have a strict no advertising policy on this site. Every advertisement
he
> sent, I paid for! GroupStudy is currently using 2GB/Day in bandwidth!
With
> the amount of money I spend on the site, I can instead purchase a very
nice
> car. It really bothers me when someone abuses my generosity by trying to
> make a profit at my expense.
>
> If I allowed this to continue, others will work their products into the
> conversation at every chance they can get - eventually destroying the
list.
>
> Take care,
>
> Paul Borghese
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
> To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "groupstudy"
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
>
>
> > Well, you need to make that clear too... I think it's only ethical
> >
> > www.nantech.com
> > online lab for CCIE preparation
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> > To: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >
> >
> > > i work WITH ccbootcamp
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
> > > To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "John Conzone"
> > > <jkconzone@home.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>;
> > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Brad,
> > > >
> > > > You need to let people know you work for ccbootcamp, when you make
> these
> > > > recommendations....just puts things in proper perspective.
> > > >
> > > > Nnanna
> > > > www.nantech.com
> > > > online lab for CCIE preparation
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> > > > To: "John Conzone" <jkconzone@home.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann"
> > > <ccie-lab@arne.de>;
> > > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > John,
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi! The virtual racks at WWW.CCBOOTCAMP.COM aren't booked up
> anymore.
> > > > They
> > > > > added (2) more racks to their current racks and now have a total
of
> > (4)
> > > > four
> > > > > racks. (3 w/ ATM)
> > > > >
> > > > > fyi
> > > > > -Brad
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Conzone" <jkconzone@home.com>
> > > > > To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann"
> > > > > <ccie-lab@arne.de>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:12 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I echo Brad's sentiments. I have purchased some equipment
form
> > > Brad
> > > > > and
> > > > > > its helping a lot. The bootcamp virtual racks are great for ATM
> and
> > > > Voice,
> > > > > > but are booked up. I plan on renting space on www.nantech.com.
> Naana
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > > fellow CCIE candidate who has set up a rack, and I am getting
> ready
> > to
> > > > > sign
> > > > > > up as we speak.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> > > > > > To: "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:30 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Arne,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi! Virtual labs are a great way to save some money and get
> good
> > > > > exposure
> > > > > > > to a variety of technologies. We have had many CCIE's use
> > > > > > > www.ccbootcamp.com to gain the necessary skills required to
pass
> > the
> > > > lab
> > > > > > > exam.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I used CCBOOTCAMP's labs to prepare for the exam mainly using
my
> > own
> > > > > > > equipment (with the exception of ATM, which I did on a virtual
> > > rack).
> > > > > If
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > could re-do my studying all over again (I dont think I ever
> > > would!!),
> > > > I
> > > > > > > would have just used a virtual rack instead of trying to track
> > down
> > > > all
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > hardware I needed for my home lab (cables, Maus, switches,
> > routers,
> > > > > > > transceivers, etc..what a pain!)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For many people that are serious about their CCIE
certification,
> > the
> > > > > cost
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > using a virtual rack is minimal ($200/day ave). Getting a
home
> > lab
> > > of
> > > > 6
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > 7 routers, a switch, and maybe an ISDN simulator (or ISDN
lines
> > > > > depending
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > location), and then using the Virtual Rack for ATM/VoIP/ISL
> > > > > trunking/etc.
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > a great approach.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As far as VoIP is concerned, I know that Marc Russell has the
> > voice
> > > > gear
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > his rack and has helped out his clients in the past by
actually
> > > > > assisting
> > > > > > > them with making the VoIP calls to verify configurations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ttyl,
> > > > > > > -Brad Ellis
> > > > > > > CCIE#5796
> > > > > > > www.optsys.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>
> > > > > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 8:12 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do you guys think of renting time on a virtual lab? For
> > those
> > > > who
> > > > > > > done it,
> > > > > > > > has it been worthwhile?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have never used a virtual lab and am somewhat reluctant to
> do
> > > so:
> > > > > > > > - You have to book a certain timeslot, so you have to use it
> at
> > > that
> > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > With
> > > > > > > > a home lab, you can practice whenever you want. If you only
> used
> > > it
> > > > > for
> > > > > > 3
> > > > > > > hrs
> > > > > > > > that day, you don't have to pay for 8.
> > > > > > > > - I like to have physical access to the routers so I can
wire
> > them
> > > > > > however
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > want for different scenarios. At a home lab you are not
stuck
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > predefined setup like on the virtual lab.
> > > > > > > > - The home lab does cost more, but when you are done you can
> > sell
> > > > it,
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > you are
> > > > > > > > lucky for about the same price you bought it for. The money
> > spent
> > > on
> > > > a
> > > > > > > virtual
> > > > > > > > lab is gone...
> > > > > > > > - There are some things that are very expensive to set up at
> > home,
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > ATM and
> > > > > > > > voice. Luckily we have some ATM stuff at the place where I
> work,
> > > so
> > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > problem. Can you really practice voice on a virtual lab?
It's
> > one
> > > > > thing
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > configure the voice ports on a router, but then I'd like to
> pick
> > > up
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > phone
> > > > > > > > and make a call with it...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To get back to the original topic: I am paying for the whole
> > CCIE
> > > > > > journey
> > > > > > > > myself. Spent hundreds of $$$ on books, thousands on Routers
> > > (about
> > > > > 5k).
> > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > I'll be taking a CCIE lab class with MTS in London late
> October
> > > > (anoth
> > > > > er
> > > > > > > $10k
> > > > > > > > with flight/hotel). After that I'm off to San Jose on Nov
18.
> > > > > > > > Not only are travel cost a major factor (I'm from Germany)
but
> > > also
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > lost
> > > > > > > > income as a contractor for the weeks spent on training and
the
> > > lab.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Arne Kuhlmann
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Brad Ellis wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I paid $25,000 for my lab...it took a while to pay off my
> > credit
> > > > > > > cards!!!
> > > > > > > > > (hence I started selling hardware). I would have never
> passed
> > > if
> > > > I
> > > > > > > didnt
> > > > > > > > > buy my own lab. Now that I look back, I wasted WAAAAY too
> > much
> > > > time
> > > > > > > putting
> > > > > > > > > the lab together (hunting down hardware). I would have
been
> > > much
> > > > > > better
> > > > > > > off
> > > > > > > > > purchasing virtual rack time from CCBOOTCAMP.COM or
another
> > > > virtual
> > > > > > rack
> > > > > > > > > place that had ATM and VoIP. I probably could have done
> that
> > > and
> > > > > had
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > company pay for it as training...oh well. Good luck in
your
> > > > > journey.
> > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > you need any cisco hardware, just let me know how I can
> help.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ttyl,
> > > > > > > > > -Brad
> > > > > > > >
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