From: Eugene Nesterenko (eenest@xxxxxxx)
Date: Sun Aug 13 2000 - 16:30:07 GMT-3
Paul,
May be that's the time to make some kind of FAQ for the group?
Many lists I'm reading as well as Usenet News Groups have such FAQ document.
Of course it can save some bandwitdth for the group as well.
I propose to create the working group for development of such FAQ.
This document can be kept up-to-date with the answers to the most common
questions.
Sure we can found the place to store it as well as resources to maintain it.
My opinion is that this can help in some way to all community.
I personally will be glad to dedicate part of my personal time to such
project.
What I think about this FAQ structure:
1. Some info about CCIE program - more meat, since on Cisco you can see only
the bare bones.
2. Recommended literature and resources.
3. Lab-taking - time management, strategy, common problems....
4. Typical scenarios (all info that can coexist with NDA)
5. Tips and tricks that save time
6. Common mistakes and the ways how to avoid them
......
Suggestions?
Regards,
Eugene
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Eugene Nesterenko, CCIE #5283, CCNP+Security, CCDP, MCSE
Fax/Voicemail: +1 415 7043497
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of John
Conzone
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 10:09 PM
To: George Spahl; Paul Borghese; groupstudy
Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
I concur. Thanks Paul.
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Spahl" <georges@iglou.com>
To: "Paul Borghese" <pborghese@groupstudy.com>; "groupstudy"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> Thanks for taking care of the list and for your generous donation of time
> and money to the list.
> George
>
> At 05:48 PM 8/12/00 -0400, Paul Borghese wrote:
> >I have decided to remove Brad from the list. I hated doing it but every
few
> >days working into the discussion ccbootcamp was really getting tiring.
Plus
> >we have a strict no advertising policy on this site. Every advertisement
he
> >sent, I paid for! GroupStudy is currently using 2GB/Day in bandwidth!
With
> >the amount of money I spend on the site, I can instead purchase a very
nice
> >car. It really bothers me when someone abuses my generosity by trying to
> >make a profit at my expense.
> >
> >If I allowed this to continue, others will work their products into the
> >conversation at every chance they can get - eventually destroying the
list.
> >
> >Take care,
> >
> >Paul Borghese
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
> >To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "groupstudy"
> ><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >
> >
> >> Well, you need to make that clear too... I think it's only ethical
> >>
> >> www.nantech.com
> >> online lab for CCIE preparation
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> >> To: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:32 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >>
> >>
> >> > i work WITH ccbootcamp
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Nnanna Obuba" <obuba@bellatlantic.net>
> >> > To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "John Conzone"
> >> > <jkconzone@home.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>;
> >> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 2:24 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Hey Brad,
> >> > >
> >> > > You need to let people know you work for ccbootcamp, when you make
> >these
> >> > > recommendations....just puts things in proper perspective.
> >> > >
> >> > > Nnanna
> >> > > www.nantech.com
> >> > > online lab for CCIE preparation
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> >> > > To: "John Conzone" <jkconzone@home.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann"
> >> > <ccie-lab@arne.de>;
> >> > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:18 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > John,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi! The virtual racks at WWW.CCBOOTCAMP.COM aren't booked up
> >anymore.
> >> > > They
> >> > > > added (2) more racks to their current racks and now have a total
of
> >> (4)
> >> > > four
> >> > > > racks. (3 w/ ATM)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > fyi
> >> > > > -Brad
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "John Conzone" <jkconzone@home.com>
> >> > > > To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann"
> >> > > > <ccie-lab@arne.de>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:12 PM
> >> > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I echo Brad's sentiments. I have purchased some equipment
form
> >> > Brad
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > > its helping a lot. The bootcamp virtual racks are great for ATM
> >and
> >> > > Voice,
> >> > > > > but are booked up. I plan on renting space on www.nantech.com.
> >Naana
> >> > is
> >> > > a
> >> > > > > fellow CCIE candidate who has set up a rack, and I am getting
> >ready
> >> to
> >> > > > sign
> >> > > > > up as we speak.
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> >> > > > > To: "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:30 PM
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Arne,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi! Virtual labs are a great way to save some money and get
> >good
> >> > > > exposure
> >> > > > > > to a variety of technologies. We have had many CCIE's use
> >> > > > > > www.ccbootcamp.com to gain the necessary skills required to
pass
> >> the
> >> > > lab
> >> > > > > > exam.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I used CCBOOTCAMP's labs to prepare for the exam mainly using
my
> >> own
> >> > > > > > equipment (with the exception of ATM, which I did on a
virtual
> >> > rack).
> >> > > > If
> >> > > > > I
> >> > > > > > could re-do my studying all over again (I dont think I ever
> >> > would!!),
> >> > > I
> >> > > > > > would have just used a virtual rack instead of trying to
track
> >> down
> >> > > all
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > hardware I needed for my home lab (cables, Maus, switches,
> >> routers,
> >> > > > > > transceivers, etc..what a pain!)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > For many people that are serious about their CCIE
certification,
> >> the
> >> > > > cost
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > > using a virtual rack is minimal ($200/day ave). Getting a
home
> >> lab
> >> > of
> >> > > 6
> >> > > > > or
> >> > > > > > 7 routers, a switch, and maybe an ISDN simulator (or ISDN
lines
> >> > > > depending
> >> > > > > on
> >> > > > > > location), and then using the Virtual Rack for ATM/VoIP/ISL
> >> > > > trunking/etc.
> >> > > > > is
> >> > > > > > a great approach.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > As far as VoIP is concerned, I know that Marc Russell has the
> >> voice
> >> > > gear
> >> > > > > on
> >> > > > > > his rack and has helped out his clients in the past by
actually
> >> > > > assisting
> >> > > > > > them with making the VoIP calls to verify configurations.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > ttyl,
> >> > > > > > -Brad Ellis
> >> > > > > > CCIE#5796
> >> > > > > > www.optsys.net
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > > From: "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>
> >> > > > > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 8:12 AM
> >> > > > > > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > What do you guys think of renting time on a virtual lab?
For
> >> those
> >> > > who
> >> > > > > > done it,
> >> > > > > > > has it been worthwhile?
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I have never used a virtual lab and am somewhat reluctant
to
> >do
> >> > so:
> >> > > > > > > - You have to book a certain timeslot, so you have to use
it
> >at
> >> > that
> >> > > > > time.
> >> > > > > > With
> >> > > > > > > a home lab, you can practice whenever you want. If you only
> >used
> >> > it
> >> > > > for
> >> > > > > 3
> >> > > > > > hrs
> >> > > > > > > that day, you don't have to pay for 8.
> >> > > > > > > - I like to have physical access to the routers so I can
wire
> >> them
> >> > > > > however
> >> > > > > > I
> >> > > > > > > want for different scenarios. At a home lab you are not
stuck
> >> with
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > > > predefined setup like on the virtual lab.
> >> > > > > > > - The home lab does cost more, but when you are done you
can
> >> sell
> >> > > it,
> >> > > > if
> >> > > > > > you are
> >> > > > > > > lucky for about the same price you bought it for. The money
> >> spent
> >> > on
> >> > > a
> >> > > > > > virtual
> >> > > > > > > lab is gone...
> >> > > > > > > - There are some things that are very expensive to set up
at
> >> home,
> >> > > > like
> >> > > > > > ATM and
> >> > > > > > > voice. Luckily we have some ATM stuff at the place where I
> >work,
> >> > so
> >> > > > > that's
> >> > > > > > not a
> >> > > > > > > problem. Can you really practice voice on a virtual lab?
It's
> >> one
> >> > > > thing
> >> > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > configure the voice ports on a router, but then I'd like to
> >pick
> >> > up
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > > phone
> >> > > > > > > and make a call with it...
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > To get back to the original topic: I am paying for the
whole
> >> CCIE
> >> > > > > journey
> >> > > > > > > myself. Spent hundreds of $$$ on books, thousands on
Routers
> >> > (about
> >> > > > 5k).
> >> > > > > > And
> >> > > > > > > I'll be taking a CCIE lab class with MTS in London late
> >October
> >> > > (anoth
> >> > > > er
> >> > > > > > $10k
> >> > > > > > > with flight/hotel). After that I'm off to San Jose on Nov
18.
> >> > > > > > > Not only are travel cost a major factor (I'm from Germany)
but
> >> > also
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > > lost
> >> > > > > > > income as a contractor for the weeks spent on training and
the
> >> > lab.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Regards,
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Arne Kuhlmann
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Brad Ellis wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I paid $25,000 for my lab...it took a while to pay off my
> >> credit
> >> > > > > > cards!!!
> >> > > > > > > > (hence I started selling hardware). I would have never
> >passed
> >> > if
> >> > > I
> >> > > > > > didnt
> >> > > > > > > > buy my own lab. Now that I look back, I wasted WAAAAY
too
> >> much
> >> > > time
> >> > > > > > putting
> >> > > > > > > > the lab together (hunting down hardware). I would have
been
> >> > much
> >> > > > > better
> >> > > > > > off
> >> > > > > > > > purchasing virtual rack time from CCBOOTCAMP.COM or
another
> >> > > virtual
> >> > > > > rack
> >> > > > > > > > place that had ATM and VoIP. I probably could have done
> >that
> >> > and
> >> > > > had
> >> > > > > my
> >> > > > > > > > company pay for it as training...oh well. Good luck in
your
> >> > > > journey.
> >> > > > > > If
> >> > > > > > > > you need any cisco hardware, just let me know how I can
> >help.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > ttyl,
> >> > > > > > > > -Brad
> >> > > > > > >
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