From: Brad Ellis (ironbrad@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Aug 12 2000 - 14:18:12 GMT-3
John,
Hi! The virtual racks at WWW.CCBOOTCAMP.COM aren't booked up anymore. They
added (2) more racks to their current racks and now have a total of (4) four
racks. (3 w/ ATM)
fyi
-Brad
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Conzone" <jkconzone@home.com>
To: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>; "Arne Kuhlmann"
<ccie-lab@arne.de>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> I echo Brad's sentiments. I have purchased some equipment form Brad
and
> its helping a lot. The bootcamp virtual racks are great for ATM and Voice,
> but are booked up. I plan on renting space on www.nantech.com. Naana is a
> fellow CCIE candidate who has set up a rack, and I am getting ready to
sign
> up as we speak.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brad Ellis" <ironbrad@WANgurus.com>
> To: "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
>
>
> > Arne,
> >
> > Hi! Virtual labs are a great way to save some money and get good
exposure
> > to a variety of technologies. We have had many CCIE's use
> > www.ccbootcamp.com to gain the necessary skills required to pass the lab
> > exam.
> >
> > I used CCBOOTCAMP's labs to prepare for the exam mainly using my own
> > equipment (with the exception of ATM, which I did on a virtual rack).
If
> I
> > could re-do my studying all over again (I dont think I ever would!!), I
> > would have just used a virtual rack instead of trying to track down all
> the
> > hardware I needed for my home lab (cables, Maus, switches, routers,
> > transceivers, etc..what a pain!)
> >
> > For many people that are serious about their CCIE certification, the
cost
> of
> > using a virtual rack is minimal ($200/day ave). Getting a home lab of 6
> or
> > 7 routers, a switch, and maybe an ISDN simulator (or ISDN lines
depending
> on
> > location), and then using the Virtual Rack for ATM/VoIP/ISL
trunking/etc.
> is
> > a great approach.
> >
> > As far as VoIP is concerned, I know that Marc Russell has the voice gear
> on
> > his rack and has helped out his clients in the past by actually
assisting
> > them with making the VoIP calls to verify configurations.
> >
> > ttyl,
> > -Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796
> > www.optsys.net
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arne Kuhlmann" <ccie-lab@arne.de>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 8:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: Budget for Lab
> >
> >
> > > What do you guys think of renting time on a virtual lab? For those who
> > done it,
> > > has it been worthwhile?
> > >
> > > I have never used a virtual lab and am somewhat reluctant to do so:
> > > - You have to book a certain timeslot, so you have to use it at that
> time.
> > With
> > > a home lab, you can practice whenever you want. If you only used it
for
> 3
> > hrs
> > > that day, you don't have to pay for 8.
> > > - I like to have physical access to the routers so I can wire them
> however
> > I
> > > want for different scenarios. At a home lab you are not stuck with the
> > > predefined setup like on the virtual lab.
> > > - The home lab does cost more, but when you are done you can sell it,
if
> > you are
> > > lucky for about the same price you bought it for. The money spent on a
> > virtual
> > > lab is gone...
> > > - There are some things that are very expensive to set up at home,
like
> > ATM and
> > > voice. Luckily we have some ATM stuff at the place where I work, so
> that's
> > not a
> > > problem. Can you really practice voice on a virtual lab? It's one
thing
> to
> > > configure the voice ports on a router, but then I'd like to pick up
the
> > phone
> > > and make a call with it...
> > >
> > >
> > > To get back to the original topic: I am paying for the whole CCIE
> journey
> > > myself. Spent hundreds of $$$ on books, thousands on Routers (about
5k).
> > And
> > > I'll be taking a CCIE lab class with MTS in London late October (anoth
er
> > $10k
> > > with flight/hotel). After that I'm off to San Jose on Nov 18.
> > > Not only are travel cost a major factor (I'm from Germany) but also
the
> > lost
> > > income as a contractor for the weeks spent on training and the lab.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Arne Kuhlmann
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad Ellis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I paid $25,000 for my lab...it took a while to pay off my credit
> > cards!!!
> > > > (hence I started selling hardware). I would have never passed if I
> > didnt
> > > > buy my own lab. Now that I look back, I wasted WAAAAY too much time
> > putting
> > > > the lab together (hunting down hardware). I would have been much
> better
> > off
> > > > purchasing virtual rack time from CCBOOTCAMP.COM or another virtual
> rack
> > > > place that had ATM and VoIP. I probably could have done that and
had
> my
> > > > company pay for it as training...oh well. Good luck in your
journey.
> > If
> > > > you need any cisco hardware, just let me know how I can help.
> > > >
> > > > ttyl,
> > > > -Brad
> > >
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