From: Bob Obreiter (bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat May 27 2000 - 16:46:14 GMT-3
I agree with Carl, Ron and Jay. There are many questions that have been
posted over the last few months that sound very specific. And some on this
forum are all to eager to answer these people. To answer some of the
critics, no I do not believe that just understanding the Q&A in this forum
is going to assure you pass the lab. However, there is something to be said
for the "spirit" of the CCIE journey.
All of us who encounter difficulties with a particular router config or
feature who work to understand AND solve the the problem realize the immense
value of working the problem. Not only do you usually end up finding the
solution to the problem but you also learn new things along the way and
reinforce what you already know. And that is the difference between passing
and going down in flames for many candidates.
When I passed my CCIE lab, it appeared that the lab had just changed
recently from one layout to another. I could tell from grumbling of a few
of the first timers that they thought that it was unfair. Needless to say
that they didn't do so well. Sounded to me like they got advanced word of
what they thought was on the lab and studied just that info. Hopefully,
they will be better prepared the next time.
I'm glad someone finally addressed this issue. It will help make the
content of the CCIELAB list stronger.
Bob Obreiter
CCIE #4978
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Panus <ronp6@hotmail.com>
To: <carl_commander@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: GROUPSTUDY - ETHICS
> I agree 100% with Carl. I see people asking questions as if they had just
> failed the lab and want to know the answers to the questions they did not
> understand or had missed during the lab exam. I, like Carl, have taken
the
> lab recently and am very familiar with the lab format and questions. If
you
> fail the lab, like most of us have, hit the books even harder. Find those
> answers, or at least as much of them as you can for yourself. Ask
> questions, but do not ask for answers that are for questions taken
directly
> from the lab. That is the biggest reason I do not post many answers here
> myself.
>
> Ron Panus
> CCIE 5823
>
>
> >From: "carl commander" <carl_commander@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: "carl commander" <carl_commander@hotmail.com>
> >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >Subject: GROUPSTUDY - ETHICS
> >Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 02:20:56 PDT
> >
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I dont want this to come out the wrong way but I would like to make a
point
> >about this forum without upsetting anyone or causing bad feeling.
> >I have been reading this forum for a number of months and I am seeing
more
> >and more questions being asked which to my knowledge have been lifted
> >directly from the the lab. I have taken the lab 3 times, each time
reaching
> >troubleshooting but narrowly failing. From this I have seen a wide range
of
> >questions for different scenario's and as I I have had all my attempts
this
> >year all the questions are very relevant as these labs will still be
active
> >in the test cirriculum.
> >As I was saying there seems to be people posting questions at least 5-6 a
> >week either the same or different questions that appear in labs. This is
> >not
> >a coincidence.
> >I beleive by doing this the CCIE will be de-valued as people are taking
> >shortcuts and not going out and reading the cisco literature and learning
> >themselves the answers and idosynacries of certain protocols.
> >Like I say I am not attempting to annoy people I would just like to say
> >that
> >when I earn my CCIE I will have earned it fairly.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Carl.
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