From: Carole (cwr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Mar 01 2000 - 11:34:42 GMT-3
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Carole
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--- "Jason T. Rohm" <jtrohm@athenet.net> wrote:
> For those of us on a budget, I can say that the I found the Cisco web
> page
> unusually useful for VoHDLC/VoATM/VoFR. Chapters 5 through 11 of the
> MC3810
> Configuration guide gave me a pretty good overview of these
> technologies
> for the price of 125 sheets of printer paper.
>
> Check them out at:
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/multicon/3810soft
>
> /swcfg/
>
> On a side note, I recently completed reading the Syngress book... I
> am
> seriously thinking of complaining to the publisher about the amount
> of
> stupid errors. It obviously did not go through a proper editing
> process.
> The information was useful but not worth $59.95. If anyone wants to
> ready
> it, they can have my copy. Don't waste the cash to buy it yourself.
>
> -Jason T. Rohm
> jtrohm@athenet.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Wagner [SMTP:Richard.Wagner@mitchell.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 9:30 AM
> To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> Subject: RE: Voice over IP . how much?
>
> << File: ATT00009.html >> Hello All,
>
> I got the book Jason mentioned (Configuring Cisco VoIP, Syngress) and
> a
> book
> called "Cisco Packetized Voice & Data Integration"
> Caputo/McGraw-Hill, isbn
> 0-07-134777-1. I've read both and *highly* recommend the Caputo book
> over
> the Syngress book.
>
> The Caputo book is much much much better for those of us looking to
> satisfy
> Cisco's voice requirements on the CCIE lab. I make that statement
> from
> seeing the voice in my last lab attempt. It is written for people
> with
> strong lan/wan knowledge and weak phone/pbx knowledge. You get
> lessons on
> how the phone in your house evolved, how it turned digital, and how
> the
> routers move that digital data. QoS is a big component of VoIP and
> it is
> covered well. A natural addition to the CCIE lab will be QoS for IP,
> especially now that voice is covered.
>
> For us geek CCIE wannabes :), getting hands-on for voice will be
> difficult
> (just like ATM). I'm confident that being book-smart with this book
> (and
> the minor experience gained from my lab attempt) will get me through.
>
> Good luck to all!
>
> Richard Wagner
>
>
> (read on if you want to know about the Syngress book)
>
> OK, since I wasted $40+ on the Syngress book, here comes the flame...
> (my
> personal negative opinion/review)
>
> The Syngress book, in my opinion, sucks. It's only strong points are
> that
> it covers H.323 and the "pbx on a net" ideas using Call Manager (the
> other
> book doesn't touch it). There are many errors, crap is cut/pasted
> in, the
> tables are missing information, and the tables' data conflicts with
> the
> paragraphs accompanying them. (example: the paragraph states "Cisco
> supports all five types of E&M ports", the adjacent table correctly
> states
> that type IV is not supported).
>
> It was great to get fuzzy ideas on H.323 and network-PBX... the rest
> of the
> data has constant flaws and I eventually didn't trust the information
> to be
> complete or correct. The author doesn't have CCNP, CCDP or CCIE
> certifications and it shows... kind of like hiring an MCSE that
> doesn't
> have
> experience yet. The "technical editor" CCIE obviously didn't do his
> job
> well when a non-technical proofreader would easily catch many of the
> errors.
> The IP addresses don't match up in the labs. The loopbacks on
> different
> routers are in the same IP subnet while using the loopbacks for
> unnumbered
> serial interfaces. Why add the unnecessary complexity?
>
> Additionally, over 20% of the book (over 100 pages) is dedicated to
> appendices for IPv6. This is a lot of unnecessary padding in a book
> called
> "CONFIGURING Cisco VoIP" I have yet to see a VoIP command use
> anything but
> ipv4:, dns:, ras, or loopback: for targets. Without giving an
> opinion on
> the importance of IPv6, it should be in a book with the word "IPv6"
> in the
> title. Additional padding comes in ROI studies and future
> projections for
> the technology. You'd be better off scrounging the 'net and doing
> your own
> cut/paste study guide.
>
> I'd see this as a great opportunity to make my own book on this
> subject,
> but
> Caputo has this one well covered! Give this book to your
> semi-technical
> manager for a better chance to see VoIP in your real-world future.
>
> Ok, I'm done, I will breathe now :)
>
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