From: Scott Morris (SMorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Jan 15 2000 - 17:59:08 GMT-3
Wow... A joke is an interesting observation. Well, about the radio signal
thing... Could it perhaps simply be the screen saver that's on there? We
did that to a few people at work just for amusement. It "appears" to be
receiving radio signals and analyzing them looking for aliens and other
intelligent life...
Now, being that you're going to take a technical test and assuming that you
plan on passing such a test... I have to ask the obvious. If they TRULY
are using the systems to REALLY search for aliens... just WHERE are they
getting the radio signals from??? I mean, you'd need to have a pretty damn
big antenna, and some sort of input device on the computer that you're
dealing with, and a regular single-processor Intel system just isn't going
to be cool enough to process the MAGNITUDE of information that antennas the
size of SETI's brings in (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence).
Sooo.... Ummm... Welcome to reality? ;)
Now, back to the part of the CCIE program in general being a joke. The web
site clearly tells you to prepare for everything, and at least the last time
I looked at the things included on it they used words like "may" and "might"
and "possible" and other things like that. So. It's difficult to say it's
the tests' fault for the difficulty of some things on there.
While the CCIE program tries to avoid being bleeding-edge in technology,
they're certainly looking to add any proven technology into the exams where
they can do so without adding new equipment, or creating any difficulty of
not being able to remain objective in the exam. It's all fair game. The
only reason ATM took so long to incorporate into the exam was the equipment
itself had to be put in every lab so all would be equally objective.
Remember, you can't prepare for everything, but know where to look things up
and be good at thinking on your feet. I'm not trying to make this sound
like a negative experience for everyone, but anything really is fair game.
You will certainly not have any "rules" of engagement in consulting jobs you
take on in real life, so what makes the test any different? It isn't a
joke. It's a serious test, and I certainly applaud the people who make the
scenarios and realize the difficulty of their job in remaining objective,
yet keeping the level of the examination properly difficult enough to
achieve the level of expertise they want to represent.
The first time I took the exam, there were things on it that I didn't
like... Even the second time there were things I didn't like. However, I
could not fault the exam itself. I failed the first time because of my
approach to the exam. My view always was that I can't know everything (I
try to pretend to have a real life too!), and that's an accurate approach to
the exam. Be technically familiar with the concepts of everything so you
are not caught completely off-guard by something, but know where to look up
the information you need, and put it into place as quickly as possible.
THAT is what being an "expert" represents.
It's not a joke. It's an exam, and a difficult one.
Scott Morris, MCSE, CNE(3.x), CCDP, CCIE #4713, Security Specialization
smorris@tele-tech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Bradford [mailto:glbradford@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 1:43 PM
To: emolden@earthlink.net; BHedlund@LifeTimeFitness.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: [VPN]
The CCIE program is becoming a joke. I don't mean that as saying it is
easy, I mean that they are not providing enough information outlining what
the rules of a given question are. I think if you go to the proctor and say
I can configure this this way or this other way, what is it that you want,
you should get a response.
AND THE BIGGEST JOKE IS:
At RTP they are using the CCIE lab PC's to look for aliens. Yes people, a
big professional company like Cisco is running an application on all the
test takers PC's that analyze radio telescope signals took for patterns that
represent intelligence while people are taking the test. I can see people
running this sort of thing at home on their pc's. Mabye on their office
machine at work. BUT AT THE CISCO CCIE LAB. This is by far the most
amature and unprofessional thing I could ever imagine them doing.
>From: "Erik" <emolden@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: "Erik" <emolden@earthlink.net>
>To: "Brad Hedlund" <BHedlund@LifeTimeFitness.com>
>CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: RE: [VPN]
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>Actually it was MOST DEFINATELY the test with VPN and did have 8 points,
>including routing issues via the tunnel, etc.
>
>I would suggest filtering and thinking through your comments a little
>before
>sending out in the future.
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brad Hedlund [mailto:BHedlund@LifeTimeFitness.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 11:19 PM
>To: 'Erik'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>Subject: RE: [VPN]
>
>
>
>I dont see how you can have 8 points on basic GRE tunnels. ??
>People are failing the test more than ever lately and crediting the VPN
>stuff for it.
>Dont be nieve Erik. Just because you or a friend got a test with with a
>basic tunnel doesnt mean that was the test with VPN.
>
>I say, better be safe than sorry. Know encryption.
>
>-Brad
>
>
>
> >
> > It is basic tunnel configurations, etc. No encryption.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Mosley, Arthur
> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 10:19 PM
> > To: 'Curtis Phillips '; 'zhencai '; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com '
> > Subject: RE: [VPN]
> >
> >
> > I think it's basic VPDN - (from CMTD course material/Cisco CD).
> >
> > Art
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Curtis Phillips
> > To: zhencai; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Sent: 1/14/00 9:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VPN]
> >
> > You raise a good point. I was under th eimpression that all of the
> > encryption
> > and ipsec was not going to be required.
> >
> > "zhencai" <zhencai@home.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I noticed that this topic had been discussed a little in this
> > group, but
> > I'm
> > still kind of confused. I was wondering what I should know for the lab
> > test(yeah, I know, everything, but...) Since VPN is quite a
> > broad topic,
> > I'd
> > like to find out what you guys think.
> > Thanks a lot.
> >
> > Zhen Cai
> >
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