From: Scott Morris (SMorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Sat Jun 12 1999 - 19:19:12 GMT-3
Well... I'd really consider it "sorta" Layer 4 as the top of where you'll
go in the lab... But anyway. :)
You are definitely correct. It's like I tell everyone at work, I thought I
was ready for everything the first time I took the lab. I even had my own
router gear (bought myself since company wasn't in a position to), albeit
limited, was a good sampling. I tell everyone that going into the exam the
first time, I used to think I was a pretty bright guy. :) The pressure of
things has never scared me, so what do I have to worry about? Well.. The
worst part about it is that I cannot complain about the test at all... it
was a VERY fair test. A whole lot of stuff, and some things I didn't know
(yeah, it hurt, I had to use the docs (grin)), but it was a fair test of
knowledge and pressure and thinking ability.
I didn't make it past Day 1. Came close, and came closer than some people
who had already taken it more than once previously, but still didn't make
it. There are too many "little" things that can really only be learned with
experience, which means playing, screwing up, figuring out and fixing. Just
because you read a book about a car, or even watch a movie so you know how
it's done does NOT mean you're ready to drive in the Indy 500...
Play, play, and play some more. if you aren't frustrating yourself and
screwing things up in new and exciting ways, then you are doing something
wrong. ;)
Scott
smorris@tele-tech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: David Powers [mailto:DPowers@westechinc.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 4:28 PM
To: 'Higgins, Andrew '; ''Luan Nguyen' '; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com '
Subject: RE: CCIE Candidate (Columbus, Ohio)
Understand, what layers in which you will be tested. Nothing goes
above layer 3. You will not need to configure an apple laptop. You will
not need to configure a mainframe. But, on the other hand, you will need
to know how to make them talk on a network. ie. how to route appletalk,
how to bridge sna traffic. Do not be misled. They do not expect network
engineers to know how to configure front end processors and cluster
controllers. On to the second point, you must study on actual equipment.
I have tried to go the other way. Mostly because I don't have access to
enough equipment to actually study effectively. I have not taken any
classes that I or my company has had to pay for. Recently, I attended a
CCIE Prep lab hosted by US Channels sales at Cisco. I got quite a rude
awakening. I am not even close to being prepared. I Study the books and
what I can download becaue I don't have access to equipment. Don't fool
yourself into believing that you can do it without hands on time. I was
pretty confident about going to the practice lab. I wasn't blown away by
what was on it. I was blown away by the actual process and timeliness of
my configurations. Something that was supposed to be done in one day of
the actual lab, was taking me more than 3 days in the practice lab. I
have a lot of work to do before I take the lab at the end of this month.
I hope I can get more time on the equipment. I think that is the only to
succeed.
Dave Powers
-----Original Message-----
From: Higgins, Andrew
To: 'Luan Nguyen'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Sent: 6/12/99 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE Candidate (Columbus, Ohio)
Not that we need to carry this thread any further but I definitely agree
with Scott. On the CCIE lab knowing a lot of theory rather than knowing
how
to configure ospf over frame relay or route redistribution won't even
get
you past the first day. The lab has been designed to show them that you
understand why you configure a feature in a certain way and you also
understand how to implement it. The whole point of the lab is that it
is a
lab. If the CCIE was based on theory alone then it could be somewhat
accomplished with a test like the prequal exam. I understand that you
may
be doing some hands on, but choosing to study theory more than actual
practice or implementation methods will only waste your time and money.
Looking at existing router configurations and minimal debug outputs will
make you understand what someone has already done but it won't get you
far
when your trying to configure something and you get stuck. You have to
know
intimately how routing protocols work and how to implement them on Cisco
routers, you need the theory background AND the hands on. If you really
intend to go down the theory path then good luck, your really going to
need
it.
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Luan Nguyen [mailto:lm_nguyen@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 1:54 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Candidate (Columbus, Ohio)
Thanks for the Advice Scott.
What I meant was not just learn on papers. I learn from things that
already
exist (<--not building anything there :) ). I would go to existing
router
and study output of different show commands. Occationally, I also look
at
output of debug commands. There are a whole lot of technologies to
learn
about, I don't want to constrain myself with configuring routers. What
if
cisco gives you a mainframe and ask you to implement it into a network.
what if they give you an apple labtop and ask you to configure and
connect
it to a network...we can't just say oh..they are not supposed to be in
the
labtest. What I meant is that if you know a lot of theory it will
better
prepare you for surprises more than knowing how to configure something
like
ospf over frame relay and how to redistribute rip into eigrp...and worry
about oddities :)
personally, I think KNOWLEDGE RULES!
>From: Scott Morris <SMorris@tele-tech.com>
>Reply-To: Scott Morris <SMorris@tele-tech.com>
>To: "'Luan Nguyen'" <lm_nguyen@hotmail.com>, joshua@netset.com,
>ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: CCIE Candidate (Columbus, Ohio)
>Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:15:22 -0400
>
>I would strongly disagree with the part about knowing enough theory
will
>make the routers easier... Unless you have enough access of written
notes
>to know of "oddities" in making things work together, particularly when
it
>comes to redistribution and things like that, then you'll be in for a
world
>of surprises if you haven't built them and played with them yet.
>
>Scott
>smorris@tele-tech.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Luan Nguyen [mailto:lm_nguyen@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 8:42 PM
>To: joshua@netset.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Re: CCIE Candidate (Columbus, Ohio)
>
>
>Hi Group,
>I am also a new list member. My lab date will be sept 30 in raleigh.
>I called around(nova scottia and san jose; don't think i am that
anxious to
>go abroad :) ) but seems like nothing available earlier.
>However I asked to be on the waitlist: if someone for some reasons
>cancelled their lab exam, I will be notified.
>My way of study will be study more tech theory on paper and books.
>personally, I think if you know enuff theory, put them into routers
won't
>be
>
>any problem...but I could be wrong :)
>
>Luan
>
>
>
> >From: "Joshua Peterson" <joshua@netset.com>
> >Reply-To: "Joshua Peterson" <joshua@netset.com>
> >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Subject: CCIE Candidate (Columbus, Ohio)
> >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:50:19 -0400
> >
> >Hello Everyone,
> >
> >I was just added to the CCIE lab list.
> >
> >I am located in Columbus, Ohio and have a small lab to prepare for
the
>CCIE
>
> >lab. I am currently focusing on the IP side of the house in
preparation
>for
>
> >Day one of the lab. Is there is anyone in the area that would like to
get
> >together to prepare for the lab together?
> >
> >
> >Where can I find the archive of previous posted message to this list?
> >
> >I am scheduled for the Lab in October in Raleigh, but I was thinking
>about
> >trying another locating for an earlier date. Does anyone have numbers
as
>to
>
> >the soonest available date at each location.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Joshua Peterson
> >joshua@netset.com
> >
>
>
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