From: Sears, Michael (AT&T - Denver) (MASears@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed Apr 21 1999 - 18:44:43 GMT-3
Greetings Dana:
You are right, I should have done more shopping before making
the statement that all Virtual Racks out there charge too much
and my apologies. In my ignorance I did not know your site or
what you offered, or how much you charged. You can bet I'll be
looking into what you have to offer. I do not feel that going it alone
is the way to go and I am looking for all the support I can get,
just like all the other folks out there
Many of the sites I visited were charging much more than your
site, like in the hundreds / hour with many upfront fees and lab
fees as well, I will not mention them herein.
If you charge $15.00 / hour with labs and experienced advise it
is really quite a steal and I would be greatfull for more information
about your site.
Again, sorry for the broadcast statement about Virtual Labs, I
guess I have just ran into many that do not offer what you offer
and I do apologize.
Thank you for your enlightenment.
Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Gertsch [SMTP:dgertsch@recom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 3:08 PM
> To: Sears, Michael (AT&T - Denver)
> Cc: David Powers; 'Stanley Seow'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> Subject: Re: Preparation
>
> Lets see how much we (virtualrack) has invested in our offering to people?
> Routers, ISDN, office space, lab development time, a dedicated internet
> connection, and a CCIE's time. Our annual investment in this is over $150K
> per
> rack.
>
> Now compare the cost of a 5 day class, where you only get a few hours
> (max) of
> keyboard time with our rates. Can you get that for $15/hour? I should
> think
> not! Its closer to $50. Plus your travel and expenses. Or even compare
> buying
> ONE router @ about $1200 (EBAY). Let's see $1200 for one router or $360
> for 5,
> plus ISDN, plus Labs, plus support. According to you it makes more sense
> to buy
> the router and do it alone.
>
> The only way you could get it any cheaper is if we paid you. What value
> is
> that? Heck you might as well spend $19.95/month for a braindump site that
> doesn't prepare you for the practical lab nor has equipment for you to
> use.
>
> It is apparent that you do not value the 'free' advise or the hard work
> necessary to provide this service. Then again you have the (apparant)
> support
> of AT&T (or Merrill Lynch).
>
> Virtualrack is for working people, on a budget, trying to get ahead. Yea
> we
> could be greedy, and charge over $30/hour but we're not. $15/hour, heck
> that's
> a steal!!
>
> Maybe you should shop around, and actually compare prices before saying
> that all
> the virtual pods are overpriced.
>
> BTW, have you downloaded any of our free labs?
>
> Standing down!
>
> Dana
> www.virtualrack.com
>
>
> "Sears, Michael (AT&T - Denver)" wrote:
>
> > Greetings:
> >
> > The interest is there. My personal lab at home has no
> > Voice over IP or ATM cababilities, which, when I take the
> > lab on September 29/30 RTP NC, will be there.
> >
> > As far as an hourly rate I only know that the virtual and
> > other dialin labs I've looked into are over charging.
> >
> > Please let me know if you move forward with this and
> > the costs you come up with / hour.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Michael - CCIE Bound / writtens passed.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dana Gertsch [SMTP:dgertsch@recom.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 11:15 AM
> > > To: David Powers
> > > Cc: 'Stanley Seow'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> > > Subject: Re: Preparation
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > My sponsor is willing to setup an ATM Routing and Switching lab with
> > > 2/3600's, two Cat5's and a 1010 but they want to know if the interest
> is
> > > there first.
> > >
> > > This rack would be up and ready to use in 3 - 5 weeks, accessible via
> the
> > > internet just like our current offering.
> > >
> > > What kind of interest is there out there for this additional service?
> > > And if you are interested, what would you consider a reasonable hourly
> > > rate?
> > > (Please keep in mind the startup costs here).
> > >
> > > Please reply directly (not to the group).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dana
> > > CCIE 3397
> > > www.virtualrack.com
> > >
> > > David Powers wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am taking the lab on june 30th. I feel your pain. I believe that
> it is
> > > > possible that their may be some 3600 series routers with atm modules
> in
> > > > them. I remember getting an announcement talking about it. Since
> these
> > > > are cheaper they may include these in the lab. Not sure though.
> > > >
> > > > here is the original message
> > > >
> > > > The 3600 platform team is pleased to announce three new high-speed
> ATM
> > > > network modules that are now orderable for the 3600 series with IOS
> > > > release 12.0(3)T1 and above.
> > > >
> > > > These three network modules support STS-3c and STM-1 framing
> standards
> > > > over
> > > > Multimode, Singlemode Intermediate Reach, and Singlemode Long Reach
> > > > fiber
> > > > optic interfaces. All 3 versions consist of a single-port network
> module
> > > > with SC
> > > > connector types that support the ATM Forum standard ATM adaptation
> layer
> > > > 5
> > > > (AAL5).
> > > >
> > > > The three new 3600 series ATM OC-3 network modules that will start
> > > > shipping
> > > > on April 19, 1999 include:
> > > >
> > > > NM-1A-OC3MM - $6,000 - Single port ATM OC-3 Multimode Fiber
> network
> > > > module
> > > > NM-1A-OC3SMI - $8,000 - Single port ATM OC-3 Singlemode
> Intermediate
> > > > Reach
> > > > Fiber network module
> > > > NM-1M-OC3SML - $10,000 -Single port ATM OC-3 Singlemode Long Reach
> Fiber
> > > > network module
> > > >
> > > > The ATM OC-3 Network Modules are only supported on the 3620 and
> 3640.
> > > > Cisco's
> > > > IOS "Plus" feature sets are required for ATM support. A maximum of
> one
> > > > ATM OC-3
> > > > network module is recommended on both the 3640 and 3620. There are
> no
> > > > additional
> > > > Flash or DRAM memory requirements for ATM network modules, other
> then
> > > > those
> > > > specified by the Cisco IOS Release 12.0(3)T Plus minimum memory
> > > > requirements
> > > > The 3600 does not support full 155Mbps OC-3 line rates. The maximum
> > > > supported
> > > > speeds range from 20 - 80Mbps depending on packet size, and up to
> 40Kpps
> > > > with
> > > > 64 byte packets on a 3640.
> > > >
> > > > The ATM Singlemode fiber network modules provide high-speed trunking
> for
> > > > users
> > > > with access to fiber WAN, while the Multimode fiber network module
> is
> > > > ideal for
> > > > connecting colocated high-speed servers, switches, or hubs equiped
> with
> > > > an OC-3/
> > > > STM-1 fiber connection.
> > > >
> > > > Voice over IP and H.323 over ATM WAN can be supported using VBR-rt
> class
> > > > of
> > > > service SVC's, using the currently available analog Voice/Fax
> network
> > > > modules and
> > > > Voice Interface Cards.
> > > >
> > > > OC-3 ATM Features at a Glance
> > > >
> > > > · ATM Service Classes UBR, UBR+, VBR-rt, VBR-nrt, ABR, and CBR
> > > > · UNI 3.0, 3.1 and 4.0
> > > > · RFC 1483 and 1577
> > > > · Layer 2 per-VC Queuing and Traffic Shaping
> > > > · Up to 1024 simultaneous VCs
> > > > · F4 and F5 Operations and Management (OAM) cell support
> > > > · PVC's and SVC's
> > > > · LANE 2.0
> > > > · Early Packet Discard
> > > > · Tag Switching
> > > > · IETF PPP over ATM
> > > > · MPOA Client and Server
> > > > · ILMI
> > > > · ABR SVC's
> > > > · ATM UNI 4.0 Traffic Management
> > > > · ATM Bandwidth Manager
> > > > · VP Tunnels (Permanent Virtual Paths, PVPs)
> > > > · NHRP
> > > >
> > > > OC-3 ATM Network Module Key Points
> > > >
> > > > The introduction of ATM OC-3 network modules for the Cisco 3600
> > > > multiservice
> > > > access routers give enterprise and service provider customers a
> > > > cost-effective solution
> > > > for extending multiservice capabilities to remote branch-office
> > > > locations through
> > > > Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM). These new capabilities on the 3600
> > > > enable
> > > > customers to integrate mulitprotocol data, video and IP routing over
> > > > high-speed ATM,
> > > > greatly increasing the selection of Wide-Area Network (WAN)
> deployment
> > > > options
> > > > for legacy and LAN-to-LAN connectivity. With OC-3 ATM capability,
> the
> > > > 3600 is an
> > > > ideal solution for customers to deploy high-speed data, voice and
> video
> > > > applications
> > > > through a single robust connection from the branch office to
> regional or
> > > > corporate
> > > > headquarters.
> > > >
> > > > Enhanced ATM capabilities on the 3600 give service providers greater
> > > > traffic
> > > > management ability and Quality of Service (QoS) controls to deliver
> > > > business-quality
> > > > Voice-over-IP (VoIP) and other mission critical applications.
> Because
> > > > the new network
> > > > modules are standards-based ATM and fully interoperate with the
> complete
> > > > line of
> > > > Cisco's carrier-class ATM switches, the 3600 is a cost-effective
> > > > solution for bandwidth
> > > > management and service deployment at the service provider network
> edge.
> > > > The 3600
> > > > is a modular router that gives service providers the full benefit of
> > > > Cisco IOS(tm) software,
> > > > enabling them to deliver services based on the applications
> currently
> > > > running in the
> > > > largest enterprises.
> > > >
> > > > - Cost-Effective ATM CPE Solution for High Speed Managed Router
> Services
> > > > - Higher ATM Access speeds (up to 80Mbps) for the 3600 Series
> > > > - Adds increased WAN flexibility to 3600 platform
> > > > - Continued investment protection
> > > > - Improved ATM QoS with support of UBR+, VBR-rt, VBR-nrt, CBR and
> ABR
> > > > Class of
> > > > Services
> > > > - Improved Traffic Shaping Capabilities - (done in hardware)
> > > > - New Bandwidth Resource Manager to prevent single VC
> oversbuscription
> > > >
> > > > Frequently Asked Questions sample:
> > > >
> > > > Q. On what platforms will the new ATM OC-3 network modules be
> supported?
> > > >
> > > > A. The ATM OC-3 network modules will be supported on both the 3640
> and
> > > > 3620 platforms.
> > > > At this time there is no planned support on the 2600 platforms. Due
> to a
> > > > compatability problem
> > > > between the 3620 rev. C PCMCIA controller, and the OC-3 network
> modules,
> > > > any OC-3 network
> > > > module ordered as a spare to be used in a 3620 will require that the
> > > > 3620 have a rev. E
> > > > PCMCIA controller installed.
> > > >
> > > > Before April, 1999 all 3620's in the field have a rev. C PCMCIA
> > > > controller installed. The customer
> > > > will recieve a warning message what attempting to configure the OC-3
> in
> > > > a 3620, if the incorrect
> > > > PCMCIA rev level is detected, and the system will not recognize the
> OC-3
> > > > network module.
> > > > If this occurs then an RMA process must be initiated by a call to
> the
> > > > TAC for replacement of the
> > > > 3620 chassis free of charge.
> > > >
> > > > Starting in April 1999 all 3620's shipped from the factory will
> include
> > > > rev. E PCMCIA controllers
> > > > and be compatible to all three ATM OC-3 network modules.
> > > >
> > > > Please contact Bill Massung directly for any upgrade issues
> regarding
> > > > large 3620/ OC-3 installations
> > > > at 408/526-8464 or via email at massung@cisco.com.
> > > >
> > > > Q. How many ATM OC-3 network modules are supported in a single 3640
> and
> > > > 3620?
> > > >
> > > > A. A maximum of one ATM OC-3 network module is recommended for both
> the
> > > > 3640 or
> > > > 3620, but this is not a software-enforced restriction. More then two
> > > > high-speed
> > > > interfaces (including ATM, FE or HSSI) are not recommended in a
> 3640. An
> > > > understanding of the 3600 series performance considerations is
> > > > recommended when
> > > > an ATM OC-3 network module is configured with two or more high-speed
> > > > network
> > > > modules. See PB545 for more details
> > > >
> > > > Q.What are the applications for the three different versions of ATM?
> > > >
> > > > A. The Singlemode Intermediate Reach ATM network modules provide
> > > > high-speed
> > > > trunking for users with access to Public or private fiber optic WAN.
> > > > The
> > > > Singlemode Long Reach is best suited for "Dark Fiber" applications
> where
> > > > a
> > > > direct fiber optic link exists between two stations without any
> > > > intervening
> > > > hardware other then the fiber itself. Multimode is ideal for
> connecting
> > > > to an
> > > > ATM Switch or hub with OC-3c/STM-1 fiber in a co-located or limited
> > > > distance
> > > > application such as in a campus environment.
> > > >
> > > > Q. What are the maximum distances supported by the 3 physical
> > > > interfaces?
> > > >
> > > > A. Multimode version supports up to 2km, Single-Mode Intermediate
> > > > supports up
> > > > to 15km, and Long reach version supports up to 45km.
> > > >
> > > > Q. Is ATM Circuit Emulation Services (CES) supported with these new
> > > > network
> > > > modules?
> > > >
> > > > A. No, at FCS, structured and unstructured CES using AAL1 are not
> > > > supported. In
> > > > Q4CY99, a Voice Processing Deck (VPD) expansion card slot, and a
> > > > WAN/Voice
> > > > Interface Card for PBX connectivity will support up to 2 local T1/E1
> > > > trunk
> > > > connections to a PBX. The VPD will be supported on all three
> versions of
> > > > OC-3
> > > > network modules. This will not be a field upgradable option.
> > > >
> > > > Q. Is Voice Over IP (VoIP) over ATM supported over OC-3 ATM?
> > > >
> > > > A. Yes, VoIP over ATM can be supported over WAN using VBR-rt class
> of
> > > > service
> > > > SVC's using the currently available Voice/Fax network modules and
> > > > associated
> > > > Voice Interface cards. ATM provides an ideal WAN transport method
> for
> > > > prioritizing voice packets over data packets to deliver low-latency,
> > > > jitter-free voice support.
> > > >
> > > > Q. What is the performance of the ATM OC-3 network modules on the
> 3600?
> > > >
> > > > A. The OC-3 network modules are not capable of running at wire-rate
> in
> > > > either
> > > > the 3640 or 3620. The ATM OC-3 network module's Fast Ethernet to ATM
> > > > OC-3
> > > > performance on a 3640 with large packets is 80Mbps. The 3620 is
> capable
> > > > of up
> > > > to 68Mbps. Performance on the 3640 with 64 byte packets is 40Kpps,
> and
> > > > on the
> > > > 3620 it is 22Kpps with 64 byte packets.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Stanley Seow [mailto:stanley@silicon.net.my]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 11:55 PM
> > > > To: Khalid.Khan@gecits-eu.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: RE: Preparation
> > > >
> > > > Any idea what is the objective of the ATM included for June labs ?
> > > > Are those the 5500 ATM module / LS1010 - ( LECS, BUS, LEC, VLAN,
> ELAN )
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > > I m kinda worried about the ATM part actually.
> > > >
> > > > Stanley
> > > >
> > > > > I intended to take my lab week starting 14/6/99 in Brussels.
> > > > > I know this
> > > > > may seem a very open ended question but any tips on how to
> > > > > prepare apart
> > > > > from
> > > > > make sure you know everything about everything.
> > > > > I have been trying to get as much hands on and doing a lot of mock
> > > > > scenarios but
> > > > > get very overwhelmed with the vast subject matter since they are
> now
> > > > > introducing ATM.
> > > > > Over the next few weeks I have mapped out plan of what to
> > > > > study and when
> > > > > but sticking to
> > > > > it difficut.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any comments?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Khalid Khan
> > > > > GE Capital IT Solutions
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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